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  • @givesomefucks
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    352 months ago

    I mean, we got treated better than any colony…

    Th English even turned a blind eye to smuggling for a long time. But eventually they started wanting their tax money, so they confiscated a couple smugglers, drastically limiting their supply. While shipping a bunch of legal tea and selling it cheap to get people used to buying cheap tea in stores legally.

    In response a bunch of smugglers paid some people to dress as Native Americans and throw the legal tea into the harbor. Because now all tea was in short supply, everyone raised prices and the smugglers were able to stay operating and even lobby France to pay for a proxy war and provide generals as a “fuck you” to the English, which was like the French’s favorite pass time.

    America was never about Americans tossing out a tyrant ruler.

    Our country was founded on the rich dicking over the average American so they could accumulate more wealth and power personally.

      • @givesomefucks
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        52 months ago

        that isn’t such crude reductionism;

        On a website most people make posts that are barely two sentences…

        It never surprises me how often people bitch that I didn’t cover ever single facet of an issue after typing paragrpaghs.

        Like, my comments are already usually long enough people don’t read it all, but I still always get these (incredible short) comments mad that I didn’t spend two hours writing and sources my social media comments.

        • @[email protected]
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          52 months ago

          If you always get that kind of comment, maybe you have a habit of phrasing things in an unnuanced manner

          • @givesomefucks
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            42 months ago

            If I tried to explain quantum mechanics to my dog, it wouldn’t matter how good of a job I did.

            And even if Roger Penrose or another expert spent years, they’d get the same result.

            So it’s just a question of how much time someone is willing to spend on a task almost guaranteed to fail.

            Like going into details in the hopes every idiot online understands every part of what you said.

            • @[email protected]
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              2 months ago

              Of course communication is a two way street.

              However it’s not merely transmitting information. The manner in which one speaks, what words one chooses, attention to detail, et cetera.

              If people commented on my style of driving on a regular basis, I’d say least entertain the idea that there was something about it I could improve upon.

              • @[email protected]
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                -12 months ago

                Depends where you are. If you are on Itsly or Portugal the people commenting on your driving style would probably be in the wrong.

            • @TokenBoomer
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              22 months ago

              You didn’t include the underrepresented African Americans in your comment, thus making it invalid. /s

              I thought it was a great summary, and have no problem understanding your comments. FWIW

            • @Godric
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              22 months ago

              Imagine thinking summarizing quantum mechanics to dogs is the equivalent to summarizing the Revolutionary War to Lemmy users. We’re all people here, and I promise you there isn’t such an intellect difference you need to dumb it down that much.

              You’re unfair, inaccurate, misleading, and biased in your explanation of what happened while attempting to sound authoritative, that’s why you’re criticized.

    • ipodjockey
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      242 months ago

      Not sure why you are getting down voted. This is pretty accurate. American history as taught in American schools is essentially indoctrination where all the bad parts are removed.

      Many of the founding fathers were shitty people.

  • @[email protected]
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    242 months ago

    A while back some MAGoo posted about how immigrants were all criminals. Highly irate when I pointed out that ‘indentured servants’ were the gutter sweepings of England, and that France would forcibly make male colonists marry women imprisoned for prostitution.

    • @mods_are_assholes
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      162 months ago

      To be pedantic, France offered the role as a colonist as an alternative to being locked up, on the stipulation that they take a prostitute with them as they leave.

      The prisoners could have chosen to stay in jail instead.

  • @[email protected]
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    122 months ago

    This we surely offend the snowflakes in red dunce caps.

  • @raynethackery
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    102 months ago

    The word you’re looking for is Tories. They are still alive and well in the UK.

  • @[email protected]
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    2 months ago

    I appreciate the sentiment of this, but it’s not quite right, at least in my view.

    The founding fathers / revolution movement had some merit, don’t get me wrong, but it was also the movement of a bunch of drunk farmers and yuppies pouring molten tar on top of tax collectors simply for the crime of being a tax collector. They were much closer to the January 6th types in that way (though obviously a direct comparison can’t be made).

    Sometimes you just can’t make a 1:1 comparison between the past and the present and I’m a firm believer that 18th century politics is a huge example of that. Things are just too complex and many issues don’t neatly align with what we consider party boundaries to be today.

  • @Hobbes_Dent
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    62 months ago

    No taxation without!

    • @einlander
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      72 months ago

      No. Taxation!

  • @[email protected]
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    32 months ago

    Now do it with the Civil war heroes, slavism and genocide.

    • @mods_are_assholes
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      122 months ago

      See, the joke is that modern conservatives would have supported the British control of the American colonies.

      Which holds significant merit as during the war for independence, the most conservative families were Monarchists which insisted we return to British rule.

      Several of those Monarchist families today make significant parts of the republican leadership.

      • @[email protected]
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        2 months ago

        Someone on that boat most certainly wouldn’t say “just obey the kings laws” or “redcoat lives matter”

        They were literally, at that moment, on the way to fight redcoats and hessians

        • @Madison420
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          132 months ago

          That’s the point boss. These people call themselves patriots and say what is in the word bubbles, the folks in the boat were actual patriots and wouldn’t say that. They’re literally pointing out the cognitive dissonance of what these idiots say and what they believe themselves to be.

          • @[email protected]
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            2 months ago

            But the “Patriots” of today could just directly be portrayed as confederates without any dissonant subcontext. Why sully a cool painting for a meme

            • @Madison420
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              32 months ago

              It’s a bullshit painting based largely on myth and misunderstanding of history. The dudes on that boat were ready to kill Washington and Washington had a simple choice, lead a fight or die by his men’s hands and hope they don’t have the wish to kill him afterwards or that there wouldn’t be enough of them left to matter.

              • @[email protected]
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                02 months ago

                That’s how running a revolution goes. You’re always hanging on by a string

                • @Madison420
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                  12 months ago

                  It doesn’t change the fact that it’s just early propaganda.

        • @mods_are_assholes
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          62 months ago

          I don’t think the person choosing the image for the meme cared, and just wanted a composition of historical founding father significance and enough people for the speech bubbles.

          You are letting your accurate knowledge of history get in the way of appreciating a political shitpost. Consider that.

          • @Baylahoo
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            22 months ago

            Thank you for your comment. Of everything I read, this is the most sane response. It’s a shitpost to send a specific message.