• Khrux
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    131 month ago

    I don’t agree with the social commentary the Greeks attached to Aphrodite, Hephaestus and Ares but I do think it’s interesting and goes against this headcannon.

    Aphrodite was forcednto be in married to Hephaestus, but does not show him and love, instead she’s in a long term affair with Ares / is cuckolding Hephaestus.

    Looking at Aphrodite, not as ‘a woman’s love’ but love and passion itself, what this relationship is telling us is that we pretend that love is for our crafts, or our creative passions, but really our true love is for conquest and victory. We can’t deny out competitive nature, no matter how much we pretend our nature is to create.

    Again I don’t agree with that belief but it’s a great insight into ancient Greek culture and morality.

    • @ThatWeirdGuy1001
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      111 month ago

      I mean the gods reflected human failures of morality and were used to explain weather phenomenon.

      Zeus was a spiteful raping bastard. Because that’s what all powerful kings were. Ares was violent and arrogant. Because that’s how soldiers were. Poseidon was cruel and unforgiving. Because that’s how the ocean behaved.

      So the idea that aphrodite being promiscuous also fits because if you’re a hot, sexy, beautiful woman, what’s to stop you from having affairs? Especially an affair with the highest ranking soldier there is.

      • Khrux
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        101 month ago

        I totally agree with what you say about the gods reflectiing us, however I just meant to mention that Aphrodite didn’t just have plenty of affairs, she was in love with Ares. Also despite being beautiful, she did everything in her power to avoid Hephaestus and had no children by him.

        It’s that above all, her favourite lover was war (a high ranking general) and she showed distaste to her husband, a master craftsman.

        If it was just about Aphrodite being promiscuous because she was beautiful, she’d have also slept with Hephaestus, what we learn from her distaste for him is that the storytellers who popularised these myths believed that being a great general garnered love while being a great craftsman did not. But also Aphrodite and Hephaestus being married shows the pretense of love between passion and craft, that is really false in the eyes of the storyteller as it’s a loveless marriage.

        I believe I got this interpretation from Mythos by Steven Fry but honestly I may have picked it up from some random corner of the internet with no credibility.

        • @ThatWeirdGuy1001
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          61 month ago

          And see I see her aversion to Hephaestus as being the typical aversion of beautiful people to ugly people.

          Regardless of modern ideologies on the topic it’s a pretty known thing that a supermodel isn’t going to be having sex with a troglodyte. You’re not gonna find the most beautiful woman in the known universe in a sexual relationship with a disfigured ugly blacksmith.

          Which I mean kinda supports your point of war being more important than crafting. But that would also depend on which Greek city your referring to. Obviously the Spartans would put soldiers above all else, but do you think Athenians would do the same?

  • @[email protected]
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    Do autistic people appreciate beauty? Serious question.

    Edit: Honestly folks there was no disrespect intended in my question, so thanks for the honest replies.

    I’m not NT myself but have my own whackiness and thus don’t see some stuff others do easily.

    • Nougat
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      Absolutely. Might be different than what neurotypical people find beautiful, but I have a bee in my hand and beauty in my eye.

      • @adam_y
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        Yes neurotypical people all find the same things beautiful, they have a famous saying about beauty being in the eye of the beholder, which means just that.

          • flicker
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            31 month ago

            Lots of extra eyes means lots of extra beauty.

            • @[email protected]
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              31 month ago

              As far as I remember the beholders also had the ability to turn people rock hard after charming them.

        • Nougat
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          … famous saying about beauty being in the eye of the beholder, …

          … but I have a bee in my hand and beauty in my eye.

    • SharkEatingBreakfast
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      161 month ago

      Holy shit yes. So much.

      They may also find beauty is much different things that NT folks, too.

    • @weariedfae
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      131 month ago

      If you prick us, do we not bleed?

    • @poszod
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      41 month ago

      There’s no research on this topic AFAIK, so all you’ll get is the circle jerk around neurodivergent people, like the post itself.

    • @[email protected]M
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      Anyway I feel like the answer here is kind of like the answer to that question we all have while sitting on top of the monkey bars where people will mostly leave you alone and you’re like,“what if Bobby sees red as blue but because those are the only eyes he has and it’s not like we can swap so we’d never know.”

      And then you get older and realize that in addition to there being no real way to prove that, even if you could it wouldn’t change anything. People might use it to find a cool new reason to kill or steal from each other again but even that’s just the same shit as always.

      EDIT: Anyway sorry yeah your question autistic people tell me with words that they find things beautiful. I’m admittedly trusting that they understand the word and are using it correctly because a) they seem to understand the rest of the words too and b) wtf would I do about it anyway? If I’m so limited in communication avenues that they can’t even communicate liking something I don’t have time for any philosophical debates. I tend to do the philosophical questions at other times. Like on Lemmy. :)