• @[email protected]
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    As a trans person, if either of them had enough estrogen to make any sort of meaningful impact on someone’s body, trans women would be drinking a gallon a day.

    • businessfish
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      81 month ago

      still waiting for my soy to kick in :( is it supposed to take years?

    • @[email protected]
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      As proud as we all are of you and your brave transition which is just so relevant right now, we have actual clinical data and decades and decades of observational data that says is does have a meaningful impact on someone’s body.

    • @[email protected]
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      171 month ago

      I have to ask, because my non-native speaking ass thought you were wrong for a moment. Context aside, it “affects” the body and therefore “has an effect on” the body, right?

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        Bingo. Affect is a verb, effect is a noun.

        Edit: English is silly and I’m a fool for thinking I had so much as a foothold on the wall of mastery of my native language.

        • Baŝto
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          181 month ago

          Plot twist: they are both verbs and nouns, but the noun affect only gets used in psychology

          From wiktionary:

          “New governing coalitions have effected major changes” indicates that major changes were made as a result of new governing coalitions.

          “New governing coalitions have affected major changes” indicates that before new governing coalitions, major changes were in place, and that the new governing coalitions had some influence over those existing changes.

  • @[email protected]
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    291 month ago

    Find some random chemical in plants that shares a functional group with adrenaline or something. Call it phytoadrenaline. Boom you just turned every crossfit bro into a worshiper of soy apparently.

    • @Agent641
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      I am literally gonna do this.

  • Christian
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    181 month ago

    The soy thing is just a dumb meme right? I’m having trouble imagining a person stupid enough to actually have that concern.

    (Just to clarify so no one infers bad intent behind my question, I do think veganism is cool and good.)

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        01 month ago

        I’ve never heard of or heard someone say that. Though I eat meat so I guess I wouldn’t be the target audience?

        • @UckyBon
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          I guess that’s true. I’ve never given a thought about veganism until I became one 8 years ago. You’d hear the dumbest things, even how the “vegetables” vegans are eating aren’t healthy, but when Miriam from HR eats a salad it’s because she wants to lose weight and get healthy.

          I was a victim of the meat propaganda as well. I hate there’s ads for meat and dairy on every corner. I hate grocery stores for this reason too (all the smiling cartoon animals, apart from the meat there’s little real animal about it).

          I am fine and I am healthy. When proteinpowderboy 2035 comes and says I am not because I don’t eat the chimken I can do nothing more than roll my eyes.

          Seeing stuff like this online is funny, because I do relate strongly. I felt the same when I became an atheist, after living the first 20 years of my life in a very religious town.

          • @[email protected]
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            Yeah, it’s really interesting how easy it can be to not notice stuff like this until you end up in the group. I obviously haven’t had the experience around vegan stuff, but have with other things.

            Personally I just can’t get over the overbearing hostility from some people, both vegans at me whenever i admit that I’m not one, and also other non vegans who are weirdly mean to vegans. But hey, i guess not everyone is gonna get along.

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              Guess it’s part of the bubble too. People who end up on the other side of what the general population is doing are prone to turn into zealots.

              The same happens in a lot of FOSS communities.

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              It’s not an accident you don’t notice!! You are being intentionally manipulated to be a profitable and guilt-free consumer, but also, you’re being told lies you want to believe. Things look entirely different once you successfully pull your head out of your ass and psychologically take responsibility for the atrocity to sentient, sapient creatures that you are causing.

    • @Reddfugee42
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      This is where Joe Rogan style insecure flat earthers get the term soy boy.

    • capital
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      I’ve personally had someone say that to me about soy milk.

    • @Ziglin
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      I mean it does seem to contain phytoestrogens which are plant based molecules that act as estrogens so no but I really doubt it would have a noticeable effect.

      It also wouldn’t surprise me if the phytoestrogens get denatured when cooked. (I do not know what phytoestrogens look like chemically, please correct me if I’m wrong about them likely being denatured)

  • Dessalines
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    I’m seeing a lot of this on nearly every single [email protected] post, but:

    Please report any comments breaking Rule 2 of this community: no omni / carnist apologists.

    • Christian
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      61 month ago

      Farmer here, I can explain this. After eating chicken breasts, the seeds passed through his digestive system. When he pooped outside, the breast seeds went on the soil encased in a natural fertilizer. Most people go straight to a toilet, and since breasts can’t grow there they never really think about the possibility of growing breasts after eating chicken.

      • @[email protected]
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        I don’t think you understood the headline. It’s temporal, not casual. More a kind of “slice of life” article. First he eats the chicken, then he grows breasts - presumably the usual way of buying breast seeds, since these days most chicken breasts are GMO and don’t yield fertile seeds.

        The real tragedy is the apparent spontaneity of the decision, so he probably didn’t graft onto the right chicken roots too get the plumpest growth.

  • @miridius
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    41 month ago

    “doesn’t affect your body” is false - it just has different effects

  • @davepleasebehave
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    11 month ago

    It’s part of their culture. Don’t take their culture away from them.

  • @[email protected]
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    01 month ago

    Damn. I never thougth about this, but have you ever noticed that this kind of memes are basically a one huge strawman fallacy? No offence OP, just a sudden thought.

    • @[email protected]
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      171 month ago

      How is this a straw man? I’ve literally had people tell me they don’t want to eat soy because of the estrogen, while they eat cheese and dairy products.

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        I mean, any argument with an imaginary opponent is kinda a strawman if you think about it. I’m not doubting existence of such folks tho, there are lots of morons among people.

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          No, it is not automatically a strawman. It’s only such if it was intentionally contrived to support a particular position. An imaginary person used in a socratic dialog is clearly not automatically a strawman, for example. That would be tantamount to saying Socrates himself (potentially an imaginary person used by Plato for argumentative purposes) is nothing but a strawman.

          Not only was the meme not a strawman, it was an incredibly common conversation that happens in real life dozens of times every day.

    • @[email protected]
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      My dad literally refuses to touch soy because of this. Yet he dines on dairy products. It’s not a strawman. It’s straight up relatable.

    • @BonesOfTheMoonOP
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      How dare I post vegan memes in the vegan community right?

      All the fucking carnists in the comments with their meatsplaining have nothing better to do.

    • @[email protected]
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      Nah there are people genuinely out there spouting this, unfortunately a former friend of mine has become a tate/rogan person and this is one of the weird things spread around in those circles.

    • @Shou
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      Just not nearly as effective the ol regular estrogen mix. It only mildly helps with hot flashes during menopause.

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        My friend was raised on a soy-heavy diet (impoverished hippy parents). She’s powerfully endowed.

        • @Shou
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          There is a difference between choosing a soy product for some protein replacement, and living of soy as if it’s the only source of protein.

          Adding to that. The phytoestrogen seems to compete and reduce the effect of estrogen in some situations. It is possible that excessive soy would have the opposite effect on a woman. So reducing the harshness of puberty.

          And also. My grandmother was powerfully endowed too. On a balanced diet. So I don’t find this anecdotal evidence enough.

          That doesn’t mean it’s worth considering its impact. But I think the focus should still be on proper nutrition regardless.

    • @[email protected]
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      111 month ago

      Cows are often pregnant while they are milked, so dairy milk contains hormones like insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1), estrogens, and progestins. Some cows are given additional hormones to increase milk production.

      Sauce

      • @feedum_sneedson
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        Shit IGF-1? I should drink more of it. Welfare concerns notwithstanding.

      • @feedum_sneedson
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        Right, which male baby animals drink with no problem.

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          Are you… serious? They have no problem with it BECAUSE they are baby animals! The hormones are IN THE MILK FOR THE BABIES. That’s WHY babies drink milk, why mothers ONLY PRODUCE MILK FOR BABIES, why no other creature on earth drinks the milk of a mammal when they are not a baby. Like holy fuck, how do people think mammals work??

          • @feedum_sneedson
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            If it was full of oestrogen I assure you it would cause major problems in babies! Not just for males, either.