hey now, that’s not fair - they also turn into nutritionists any time a woman over a size 4 posts a picture.
I don’t “look like a vegan” I was told because I have some big old tittays.
we all know vegans look like cancer patients and shriek like baby birds 24/7 /s
Are they older than the rest of you?
They are 50 like I am but they’re still pretty perky.
Nice
Amen. Bet my ass that most people dying of heart attack are in fact not vegan. On the other hand i would like to know how many vegans are suffering from malnutrition. Some morons will.
Nebelneik was a German youtuber who revealed he was vegan fir 2 years and didn’t know how to cook and also didn’t have time.
Well, all he eat was beans in a can. The most british thing I have ever heard. He did suffer from malnutrition.
But I feel like too many people suffer partly from malnutrition in some way even tho they eat meat.
- didn’t know* how to cook
- didn’t have* time
Omg, thanks. I don’t know why I am forgetting much about language rules.
The price to pay for learning constant new programming languages
That’s incredibly sad.
This is exactly the kind of attitude that nullifies a potential reduction in ischemic heart disease with dietary deficiencies like B12. From what I could find, there are many potential health benefits from a vegan diet (lacto-ovo-vegetarian diets even more so) and yet I found a study that seems to show no significant difference in mortality rates between vegetarians and non-vegetarians.
Look, of course getting the right nutrition is an important part of your diet. Where or when do you learn this? I do not remember this being a big part of my education. Instead it was part of becoming a vegan because everyone was like “NOO! It is dangerous!!!”, so i guess thanks to that i now know much more and get my blood checked regularly. My point is: People are already hurting themselves by eating junk, eating not enough vegetables and fruits and too much highly prpcessed meats. Are they warned (like vegans are)? Not really, but why?
show no significant difference in mortality rates between vegetarians and non-vegetarians.
wait being vegan doesnt make you immortal???
its possible.
and you can do a technically vegan diet of potato chips and onion rings. or only bread and oil. can get pretty heavy on that.
but like… way harder.
the only way meat stops malnutrition is in a traditional diet that includes organ meats. nobody eats those on purpose nowadays.
Very few people do, that’s certainly true.
I hunt for a large percentage of the meat I consume, and I use every part of the animal I can. Can’t eat hide, horns, hooves, or feathers, and nuero tissue is inadvisable. But nearly everything else gets used in my house, including organs and bones.
I know that always pisses me off. knew this guy once who ate a very unhealthily meat centric diet, but be only are grocery store ground and prime cuts, so he kept having nutritional deficiencies and it was really frustrating to help him, because, like, yes, just eat a god damn vegetableand you can stay out of the ER, but you dont even need to do that if you just eat more parts of the fucking cow!
and he wouldn’t.
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Going veg/an as a 21 year old actually made me focus on nutrition in a way I might have never otherwise done. You become an expert at reading labels, and there is a lot of people going veg/an for health reasons (even though that wasn’t my motivation) so books/magazines/cookbooks had a lot of nutritional info. The best thing for me was instantly cutting off all the junk I used to live on: 7-11 hotdogs, Lil’ Debbie’s, McDonalds, etc. I don’t even see that shit anymore. It’s completely invisible to me.
Same! I started being vegan because a medication I take made my appetite for animal products non-existent, but now it all just looks like a morgue.
As someone who generally tries to eat less meat, but isn’t yet vegan, what are some of your staple foods you eat on a weekly or daily basis? This isn’t about nutrition, I just want more meals to add to my rotation that don’t have animal products in them.
Three bean chili, garbanzo fajitas, black bean enchiladas, pinto bean tacos, crunchy airfried peas on veggie wraps, ramen noodles loaded with raw sweet peas, and of course the most important food group:
Oreos
I’ll never forget my shock upon learning oreos are vegan, haha.
Those sound good though, especially the tacos and fajitas, thanks!
np 😎
also check out /c/[email protected] some time!
Nice, will do!
I really wish I liked beans, but the only tolerable way I’ve found to incorporate them into my diet is specifically black beans, mixed in with things that make it less noticeable - like a black bean and corn salsa added to a salad or a burrito. The main problem is that most beans have a texture that disgusts me (though I can’t say I enjoy the flavor either). Baked beans, refried beans, stews and soups that have a lot of beans are all no-gos for me. Those black bean enchiladas sound interesting though, mind sharing a recipe?
I posted about it in this thread, although it’s a black bean and rice recipe instead of just beans! I’ve discovered that air frying beans gives them a better texture (beans are normally kinda mushy imo) and I’m basically doing that for everything I make now lol
I think I’m going to try to make pure bean enchiladas this weekend though now that I think about it. Maybe with roasted corn…?
Indian and Indonesian kitchens offer a lot of vegetarian and some vegan options. Dry pressed tofu grilled in an oven van replace chicken in a bunch of dishes too and has all the amino acids.
But yeah becoming vegetarian if you just learn more true vega dishes is pretty easy in 2024 I’ve found
Mushrooms, lentils, tempeh, tofu, and rarely, things like impossible burger “meat.” In general, you can straight sub some fungi and tofu for some meats in dishes. But a lot of western dishes do not play nice with these kinds of substitutes, since they’re really dialed in for real meat. To go the distance, you must learn cuisine that makes better use of vegetables. This means learning things like Indian and Southeast asian dishes.
That’s a great point! I think a lot of my pitfalls have been from me trying to recreate my favorite dishes, usually Mexican or Korean food, without meat. While it can be done and does taste great, I should look to more vegetarian cultures for inspiration and learning!
Mexican and Korean food are really good, even without meat. Lentil or mushroom tacos are great. Korean food has a lot of fermented food and soy.
I’m also not vegetarian or vegan, but have transitioned to a much more plant based diet. The secret isn’t finding meat replacements, it’s just finding recipes that don’t use meat. I mess around a lot with Indian, Southeast Asian, Middle Eastern, and North African cuisines. Chickpeas and lentils (most beans and legumes, actually) are my best friends. I’ve found that even though it’s a grain, farro helps me feel full. I’m pretty sure you can make a lot of Mexican/Central American stuff without meat (but probably not without cheese/dairy), but I’m not positive because I’m actually not that big on black beans.
We eat a lot of extra firm tofu. Freeze it, then thaw it, and then press it. If you’re eating a lot of tofu invest in a press, it makes it so much easier than stacking pans or bricks or whatever on a cookie sheet and hoping is pressed evenly.
Then cook how you like. We toss it with some seasoning and cornstarch and stir fry it crispy and then use it instead of chicken.
Is that where your name comes from?
I dare say I do make some killer tofu, but it’s a reference to a song from an old Nickelodeon cartoon, Doug.
Personally I almost always make stuff I can eat for more than 1/2 days. So it’s soups, stews, curries, etc. Everything pretty much boils down to protein + sauce + veggies anyway.
So it’s lentil soup/curry/chilli with a side of whatever you feel like. (Salad, bread, rice, quinoa, couscous, etc) Or chickpeas or some beans or whatever. Other times it’s just rice (think paella or risotto) or pasta.
Lemme know if you want specific recipes
Meal prep is a staple for me, and I love curry!
I make a ton of vegan chicken, steak, and jerky nearly every week and use it in all my recipes. You can make a ton at once, and obvi it’s much cheaper than flesh / secretion-based products.
After getting really good at them, and swapping out milk for oat milk, I’ve pretty much had to change nothing about what I want to make / eat.
Thanks! Got any recipes or tips for making vegan chicken, steak, and jerky?
Sure!
For vjerky, I just make a double batch of the steak, but after it’s done cooking, instead of marinating it, I cut them into thin strips, put it in a dehydrator (you can also just use an oven), then put them into plastic bags with some olive oil and different spices, or just pepper. There are good youtube vids that are all pretty close to that.
Thanks! I’ll have to try em out, those look good!
I didn’t get good at cooking till I cut wayyy back on meat. Now I make tons on Asian and Indian dishes, sooo spicy and tasty. I do eat a lot of chickpeas, but bocca crumbles are pretty good as well. Morningstar makes nice vegan chicken as well.
How can you have vegan Chicken, it’s literally a bird. Steak and Jerky sure but chicken,
I don’t follow. But vegan chefs are wizards that can recreate any taste / texture.
I’d check out [email protected] from time to time for some inspiration. I have a few posts there and I’m always happy to share recipes!
My main go to lately has been beans and rice in the instant pot (any pressure cooker is fine). Throw dry rice and black beans in with some sauteed onions and garlic, broth, a can of tomatoes and season with chili pepper, cumin and a few other common spices. That’s been a staple for me for a while. Every batch makes a meal plus a few lunches and its really easy to make. Goes great with some tangy hot sauce. Can also be used to fill a burrito or tacos.
I do black beans in the instant pot with basically those same ingredients, then I make rice, then I end up combining them in a bowl to eat. I don’t know why I never considered just putting the rice in there with the beans at the same time…
I started doing it this way because I like easy and I love the way the rice soaks up all the flavor when I do it all together. I found a basic recipe online and have been just playing around with variations on that.
Recently I used kidney beans instead of black beans and they were really good. Unfortunately, it wasn’t as easy because I had to pre-cook the kidney beans to work in the recipe, but it came out really tasty. That took an extra pressure cook (5 min) and natural release.
I like the one pot method, easy prep and easy cleanup, thanks!
Yup, I love easy and one pot recipes are great for that. Happy to share!
“u taste like batteries”…ARE THEY EATING PEOPLE?
They’re eating…part of them.
Lithi-cum ion lol
as a non vegan this really opened my eyes
Bro no way this guy got a degree in does eat meat, they must be so smart
I highly doubt cheetos and Mcdonald’s is all they eat though. No matter what your diet is, nutrition matters. But once you’ve got that covered, you deserve a damn snack once in a while.
I’m vegetarian. Never had McDonalds. Do their burgers have poor nutrient content?
no. that would imply they have any nutrient content.
Most fast food is high or excessive on macronutrients (protein, fat, carbs), but low on micronutrients and fiber.
They used to be pretty much garbage food. They might still be but I haven’t been in a decade
Its the reason why our culture have so many fat kids and kids with diabetes.
How the fuck is their only 1 punctuation mark in that whole thing?
Probably the same reason you used their instead of there
physician heal thyself
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I never think about my diet, mostly eat beans and rice, random stir fries, dhals and burritos and oats . Only supplement b12. In my 30s, perfect levels across the board and am a distance runner. Actually I had to stop supplementing b12 as it was too high for a while (many foods are enriched).
You are spreading misinformation. There’s massive amounts of iron, protein, and calcium in random veggies and lentils. Vitamin D you get from being outside like everyone else.
Not everyone gets enough exposure to the sun to synthesize Vitamin D at sufficient levels. It depends on your skin type, where you live and what kind of lifestyle you live. It’s a good idea to monitor your blood for nutritional deficiencies, but not everyone does.
That’s not at all specific to veganism though. If your doctor prescribed you vitamin D obviously keep it up, just like if they prescribed you anything else. however vegans don’t need to supplement vitamin D any more than the next person.
That’s not at all specific to veganism though.
That’s not at all what I said though, is it?
Sorry, I assumed that you understood the context you were replying in. Forgive me, I thought too highly of you.
You oversimplified something I felt was important and I elaborated on it. I guess I can only apologize that I wasn’t quite prepared for combative, condescending horseshit in my replies.
I’m parroting what health experts in the US and overseas advise to anyone that’s considering going vegan. B12 in particular is a pain point.
Lol read that paper. It’s literally “we have no evidence but this might be a thing?”.
the “normal” range for b12 is huge, deficiency is terribad, it comes from microbes in soil but we wash shit now. Sooooo many foods are already enriched out of caution (including animal products), b12 measurements are shit in general so data are crap, the liver stores years which further complicates things. There is good data on lower levels in plant base diets, there is good data on deficiency in poor people with shit diets and insane people with bonkers diets (frutarians etc). The scientific consensus is suppliment it because in general the body regulates itself well when given excess (unlike say b6) and deficiency is bad. That stands for basically everyone.
Likewise with other stuff, it’s all basically “idk this might be a thing so maybe pay attention?” it comes from a place of abundant caution. The same way every paper ends with “erm so yeah but maybe we need to study more?”. Also most nutrition science is junk (magical d3 anyone?) and most nutrition scientists have anti vegan biases.
Add nutritional yeast to your food for a rich umami note and plenty of B12.
As a meat eater, I still buy nutritional yeast just for sandwiches and popcorn. The stuff is delicious!
That is often where the stereotype of a “weak vegan” comes from, teenagers just not knowing what to eat while not wanting to partake in animal products. (But don’t believe it, many professional weight lifters are vegan, and even Arnold has left out all other animal products except for eggs.)
But let’s not pretend it’s really anything complex. B12 supplementation is something that is often required, but like dairy is strengthened with vitamin D, many vegan products like vegan milks, breakfast cereals etc are fortified with B12. B12 comes from micro-organisms, it’s just very plentiful in meat.
But for instance hemp seeds:
In fact, by weight, hemp seeds provide similar amounts of protein as beef and lamb — 30 grams of hemp seeds, or 2–3 tablespoons, provide about 11 grams of protein (1). They are considered a complete protein source, which means that they provide all the essential amino acids.
Am nott vegan btw. Flexitarian perhaps. Love me some good meat but strongly dislike industrialised meat farming. (game meaf from necessary population control = ethical imo)
I think you’re underselling the importance of B12 supplementation or the consumption of fortified foods for vegan diets. Permanent neurological deterioration isn’t something anyone should leave to chance and even non-vegans often have a mild B12 deficiency in most parts of the world.
With the amount of energy drinks (which contain a lot of vitamin B) being consumed, I’m not really that worried about this particular issue.
even non-vegans often have a mild B12 deficiency in most parts of the world.
That’s just not true, lol. You’re thinking of the northern (or very southern) parts of the world (during winter) and vitamin D, that’s the only way that statement is even remotely true.
That said there’s never too much nutritional information being shared. So take care of your nutes, vegans!
(game meaf from necessary population control = ethical imo)
At what point do you consider population control necessary? The inconvenient truth is that the worst instance of unsustainable overpopulation is us humans. No other species could come close to the harm and destruction we cause. Making special exceptions for ourselves while we are the worst offenders by far would be very hypocritical. If you consider population control ethical, you ought to consider school shootings, murder, etc. ethical as well.
I think we need to find better solutions than going on killing sprees.
Most western nations have a declining population so there’s no need for that. When needed you can implement a 1-2 kid limit and that’d be fairly ethical, no? You can control human populations without killing, not sure why the comparison was necessary.
With our current lifestyles, 7 billion humans aren’t sustainable for earth, which results in a lot of habitat destruction, pollution, climate change and so on. That’s what my analogy to deer overpopulation was getting at. Even if we had a global 1 child limit, it would take a few generations until an actually sustainable population is reached.
If we have a right to live even though we cause so much destruction, it’s inconsistent to kill deer for causing way, way less damage than us.
At what point do you consider population control necessary?
When it is necessary. Humans have replaced the apex predators in a lot of places. If population control isn’t done with deer, the population skyrockets, gets out of control, and destroys the ecology, taking several species and the environment with it, not to mention putting people at risk because of the increased risk of deer crashes.
So for instance in most of Europe, it just is necessary. I only specified “when it’s necessary” to avoid having an argument about trophy-hunting, which is immoral and ridiculous rich people bullshit. Actual hunting isn’t. There’s no cruelty, and it has to be done. And when it is, I eat it. And the venison is delicious.
If you consider population control ethical, you ought to consider school shootings, murder, etc. ethical as well.
This is ridiculous. You don’t seem to understand what hunting actually does. https://ecosystems.psu.edu/outreach/youth/sftrc/deer/issue-deer
When it is necessary. Humans have replaced the apex predators in a lot of places. If population control isn’t done with deer, the population skyrockets, gets out of control, and destroys the ecology, taking several species and the environment with it
But all that applies to humans, and much more so. The harm done by deer overpopulation is completely and utterly dwarfed by the habitat destruction, pollution and climate change that our overpopulation causes. Based on your argumentation, hunting humans for population control is necessary and ethical.
But of course nobody will apply the logic consistently because of how cruel it would be.
Why don’t we implement more humane population control measures for deer, like spaying/neutering? It might have something to do with humans liking the taste of their dead bodies…
If you have to choose between killing a crying child or killing an adult deer, which would you think is the more moral choice?
But of course nobody will apply the logic consistently because of how cruel it would be.
Unfortunately, you’re not using logic.
Why don’t we implement more humane population control measures for deer, like spaying/neutering?
Why don’t we spay entire wild populations of deer? :DD
See earlier sentence, it applies here as well:
Unfortunately, you’re not using logic.
Thanks for the laughs though, young city dweller, but if you really value nature and animals, I suggest actually visiting it and reading about it.
If you have to choose between killing a crying child or killing an adult deer, which would you think is the more moral choice?
What does that have to do with anything? Of course killing a human is worse, but that doesn’t mean that killing a deer isn’t cruel.
Why don’t we spay entire wild populations of deer? :DD
Well, we do this with hundreds of millions of pets and BILLIONS of livestock animals just to improve taste, and hunters already go around shooting them, surely there would be a practical way to tranquilize them and do a snip or something. This is an issue we’re responsible for after all, as you said. But yeah, there’s no profit and no tasty corpses to be gained so it’s not an option, I get it.
Thanks for the laughs though, young city dweller
I’m not sure why you felt the need to be a condescending prick by the way. Maybe basic decency and manners aren’t valued in your culture, so I’ll try not to judge your character based on that. Have a nice day anyways.
Well, we do this with hundreds of millions of pets and BILLIONS of livestock animals just to improve taste
And hmm, might there be some sort of a difference in how practical it is to spay DOMESTICATED animals versus ONES IN THE WILD?
“Surely there would be a practical way to tranquilize them and do a snip or something”
You can’t be serious :D
Tell me you’ve never been outside a city without telling me you’ve never been outside a city. You don’t seem to have any idea how big the outdoors is. It would be as easy to spay every deer as it would be to empty a lake of fish. Of every single fish. And then put them back alive. And then not understand that you still need to leave a breeding population, or you’re genociding said animal and removing it from the ecological niche it’s in, meaning the environment will be unbalanced and die. Congratulations, you’ve destroyed nature because you wish to pretend that predation isn’t something that is necessary.
I’m not sure why you felt the need to be a condescending prick by the way.
It’s not my fault that you have an inferiority complex. You can probably help that by actually informing yourself of things, so that doesn’t trigger so easily.___
OTOH, you won’t see many bodybuilders at the highest competitive levels that are vegan. (Compare the physiques of the people you see when you search for vegan bodybuilder with Mr. Olympia 2023 images.; while yes, absolutely, everyone in Mr. Olympia is taking metric fuck tons of drugs to get huge, there shouldn’t be anything preventing a vegan or vegetarian from doing the same.) When you are being absolutely scrupulous about hitting your macros, getting sufficient protein on a bulk cycle without also getting high carbs or fats is very, very difficult on a vegan and vegetarian diet. The stereotype of a BBer eating nothing but boneless, skinless chicken breast, brown rice, and plain steamed broccoli during a clean bulk or cut is pretty accurate, because that makes figuring out exactly how much protein, carbohydrates, and fats you’re eating really simple. If you’re trying to do a very clean bulk or any cut, you’re going to need to avoid food that has multiple ingredients unless you’re planning on weighing everything that goes into it first. Which also fucks up your recipe, but, oh well.
If you’re a power lifter, it’s less of a concern; you may be getting more carbs or fats than is ideal, but since you aren’t trying to cut to 5% bodyfat, that’s not really a huge problem. Same with endurance athletes (who, TBH, need to eat significantly more fats and carbs anyways; if you need to eat 8000 cal/day just to maintain, then eating super clean is probably not a concern).
Take your example of hemp seeds: for 30g of hemp seeds, you get 10g of proteins, but you also get 15g of fat. For 100g of dry lentils, you get 27g of proteins, but also get 60g of carbohydrates (48g net carbs if you subtract fiber from your totals). For 6 oz of B/S chicken breast, 53g of protein, and 3g of fat. (…Which is slightly better than ON whey isolate powder, which has 1g fat, 2g carbs, and 24g protein per serving.) So if I’m trying to hit 250g of protein in a day, it’s easy to say that I need about 28oz of b/s chicken breast each day, and do my meal prep all in one go for the week. It gets more complicated if I want to have lentils, quinoa, brown rice, and asparagus.
I’m not saying veganism isn’t viable as a meal plan, because it toally is! Like you expertly explained, there are considerations you have to take in to cut meat from your diet, and supplements you have to be sure to seek out in vegan-specific foods.
So you’re coming to meatsplain to a vegan community? Go away. There’s plenty of other places for you to talk about eating roasted corpse.
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You didn’t just say be mindful, you said that you could kill yourself by going vegan. That’s an extreme claim that your interlocutor met with an above average rebuttal.
B12 is important for vegans, but you will not kill yourself. Any of the deficiencies other than B12 that show up in vegans also show up in omnivores and carnivores, so it’s just as possible for some people, depending on their circumstances, to kill themselves out of a poor diet.
Why make it seem like vegans are the only ones who need to be mindful of the nutritional value of their food
I didn’t? I just said that if you cut animal products, making sure you’re getting vital nutrients is important. Clearly I wandered into a hive of American vegans, so I’m just going to block this community, everyone in it, and move on with my life.
Yeah you did,
“become vegan, just be mindful of vitamins and proteins your body needs,”
You’re implying vegans need to be careful of the nutritional value of their food in a way meat eaters don’t.
Great stuff at the end there, love to see it. You should also go vegan it’s good for your health, the planet and animals :)
My god mate, just stfu.
Do you have any idea how condescending you sound?
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yeah hit me
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You really pulled up into the comment section of a vegan community post, announced you were non vegan, and then meatsplained? Mf’ing hilarious. You did the stereotype of vegans, to vegans.
Where do I collect my title?
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Pretending that it is some kind of hard thing to get your friggin b12 has to be a joke. The “hardest” part ist getting your blood checked (every year), which should be a no brainer for every one. But i bet my ass in america this is some kind of super expensive service.
I didn’t say it was hard, I said it was harder than never worrying about it at all.
But that is the mistake. Having a “normal” diet you should also “worry” about your nutrition because malnutrition is more common that people think. Getting your blood checked once in a while is important. Making sure you get enough fruits and vegetables is important. Sure you might not worry about those things, just like a vegan might not worry and simply take a b12 pill every once in a while. It is simply a lazy ass and potentially dangerous move to not care at all about your nutrition.
That said, nobody can or will force you to do any changes to your diet and going vegan for health is the last thing i would recommend. It is an ethical stance, not a diet. Also, eat more veggies, it is good for you.
Omnivores in western countries tend to eat too little fiber and have their own nutrition deficits.
I’m not even arguing whether a vegan diet is healthier or not, but omnivores shouldn’t assume they’re on easy mode for micronutrients. Everyone should get their blood regularly tested, because waiting for the effects of a vitamin or mineral deficiency to become obvious is not only super unpleasant, but makes the treatment take longer.
Lmfao, wasn’t me saying “yeah hit me” homie.
I’m blind. Nonetheless, they asked before, and they weren’t wrong.
I’m blind
How are your accessibility options for Lemmy now compared to a year ago? Just curious.
Vegetables are some of the most nutritionally complete things you can eat.
If a dog was sleeping in the driveway behind your car and you were running late for work, would you take the extra time and effort to make sure they get out of the way, or just run them over?
If not funding the worst atrocities against animals means I need to pay a little extra attention to my diet (something most omnivores should be doing as well), that’s a perfectly fine tradeoff to me.
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That’s a pretty wild interpretation of what I said lol.
The person I replied to was making a case for eating meat out of convenience, and I used an analogy to show that people generally wouldn’t put their convenience over an animal’s welfare.
People hate vegans because vegans are proof that you don’t need to support industries that profit off of harming animals.
Honestly, I was joking, but you have a good attitude and also a fair point worth engaging with
But the spirit of the meme is not so much about whether omnivores get the nutrients, but the shared lived experiences of vegans and vegetarians who generally have put a great deal of thought into their diet and then get lectured about it constantly. Lectures often delivered from people who have no idea what they’re talking about, because they simply assume the pepperoni on their pizza offers them a completely optimal nutritional profile
Wanna be vegan but not have to think about it? Buy our subscription box food thing!
Well, now I’m not sure what you mean lol. Cheers
Just giving you guys an easy way to recruit.
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Hurrdedurr let’s go to the vegan community and act like an asshole!
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This post hit my top page too. You should look at the community label when you post, it’s kind of on you to keep yourself informed about where you are in the fedverse.
That degree of thoughtless laziness absolutely tracks with your carnism.
Isn’t Lemmy just a series of empty hallways I can wander into, thoughtlessly speaking out into the void?
