• @KillerTofu
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      Nothing is broken, people are choosing to not abide by the terms they accepted to when the bought the game.

        • @ranoss
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          I do not think enough people are aware of the limits to who can make the newly required accounts.

        • @KillerTofu
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          So for those who can’t have a PSN account the failure was on them for buying the game anyway, since it was included on the store page, terms, and shows up on launch. Now, I agree they should get a refund if it locks them out the game. For the rest of the caterwauling, what will they do when Steam denies their refund after playing 200hours? Boycott Steam?

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            File support tickets directly with Arrowhead

            https://arrowhead.zendesk.com/hc/en-us

            File a complaint with your local government body, I believe in Australia it is illegal to break a game after the fact. To substantially change how it runs to hold it hostage.

            But even in other jurisdictions, even 1, 000 disgruntled gamers filing small claims against arrowhead would consume an outsized amount of resources to respond to.

            Make noise, be disgruntled, don’t play the game, file a negative review, create busy work for the perpetrators. They’re stealing time and money from you, it’s fair to do it to them. But legally

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            You really are a dick

            • @KillerTofu
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              I’ve been called worse by better people. People who don’t read things that they are agreeing to and then complain they don’t like it after the fact should take the lesson and move on.

              • Bahnd Rollard
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                If your replying to this thread on mobile, I would like to remind you that you never read the EULA to your phone either (this would have taken several hours for android and slightly less for iOS) . You just saw the blurp “accept terms and conditions” and moved on with your life like everyone else did. There is no expectation to read usage contracts for small, non-bussiness purchases.

                Also, your opposition to this discourse is futile… The ball is in Sony/Arrowheads court. We will see if they compromise with players in eastern europe, or double down to become the next Battlefront 2 (pride and accomplishment yall!). As for me, ill let the paint dry and move on if I feel they resolved this poorly. Lets see if EDF6 can stick the landing.

                • @KillerTofu
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                  It wasn’t hidden in some legalese riddled document. It was listed on the store page on the right side where they put all the requirements for outside accounts. I get there are people who don’t want to have to install other launchers and make other accounts, but it was there. To complain that they are now enforcing it when it was obviously disclosed and claim it was a bait and switch are wrong.

                  Should they have sold it to countries Sony doesn’t serve? Obviously not.

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                In general, even as a company, in most of the civilized world, you don’t get to just write stuff in some ToS and fuck around. Consumer protection agencies do care about this.

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                  Sorry, on page 10,782 it says that if you don’t make a PSN account you have to become a slave. You signed it!

              • @[email protected]
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                Hold on let me just slip a note that says “you agree to give up your rights” in to the computers my clients buy, that means I’m covered right?

              • @MrPoopbutt
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                Here is the lesson i take out of it - if buying isn’t owning, then piracy isn’t stealing.

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                “the failure was on them for buying the game anyway”

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            terms,

            It’s not in either terms linked on the steam store page. There’s no mention of a requirement to use PSN’s networks or to link your steam and PSN account in either EULA. It’s ONLY the banner on the steam page. And nothing in game makes it clear that skipping the login is only a temporary thing.

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            Guuuuuuys… stop being mean to corporations! Didn’t you watch the HR video that says we are family? /$

            (If only they knew how shitty, exploitative and gaslighting my family is and how correct they are)

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          virgin EULA worshipper

          It’s actually not even in either EULA published on the steam page. This is just a shill.

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        This is the reason I didn’t buy the game, but people bought it and now they’re angry they’re enforcing it?

        You’re totally right, except for the people from the countries that don’t get PSN. How is it legal to sell them the game in the first place if they can’t meet the requirements to play? Scummy move.

      • @SmilingSolaris
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        The devs themselves have asked users to review bomb their own game on their discord. Your not standing up for them, your standing for Sony and Sony alone.

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        It’s not in the EULAs pertaining to this game, and Sony changed their PC Games FAQ on May 3rd after the announcement that PSN would be required, meaning the FAQ people read when they bought the game is different from the one Sony is trying to enforce.

        Before:

        After:

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      • @Ultragigagigantic
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        Uhh axktuallay on page treefiddy on the TOS it says you get a downvote

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        I did not know we had controversial bots on Lemmy already!

      • @Guy_Fieris_Hair
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        The Ol’ hivemind. I type this will dropping in to kill some bug hives.

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          “anyone who disagrees with me are part of the ‘hive mind’, the only way to not be part of a hive mind is if you agree with all the things I believe. You know, like some sort of hive mind.”

          Nah man, it’s just a bunch of individuals that happen to agree that you’re an idiot.

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        They hated him because he spoke the truth.

        I don’t like it either, but I had to make an account on day 1. It’s also a requirement for any game hosted on Sony’s game servers.

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    Well, I’m glad I didn’t end up buying it last week like I wanted to. I decided to wait another paycheck instead.

    Saved me wasting time or money.

    Honestly people shit on review-bombing over specific incidents but this is the kind of thing that 100% deserves it.

    • @Ultragigagigantic
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      “Oh no, finding out!” - corporation that fucked around probably

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      Review bombing is getting people to review something a certain way without them having have experienced the thing.

      Basically a small group think their own opinion is so important, they try to convince as many people as possible to vote the same to make it seem more people share their opinion.

      These reviews were from players who actually played the game and got affected by the changes. It isn’t review bombing, their opinions are valid.

      • @Syrc
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        Not really, at least on Wikipedia the page for review bombing and the one listing significant ones make no distinction between actually having played the game/watched the movie or not.

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    I am curious how this is going to effect the number of active players. I know a lot of people who were trying to get me to play this saying it was here to stay and not a trend like a Lethal Company but I feel like this hurdle might be enough to get them to give up.

    I definitely have a low level of tolerance for Russian nesting dolls of accounts and launchers.

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      I’d be surprised if it really has much of an impact on number of players tbh.

      Most people don’t care, Lemmy/Reddit are a vocal minority.

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        The game racked up over 10k negative reviews in 90 minutes yesterday. People are pissed. There’s also the issue of PSN only being available in a about a third of all countries.

        I just uninstalled the game over this and I have 350+ hours.

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          They fumbled a (bigger) bag with this whole dungeon master Joel meme. This will be the last straw for many.

          The player base is tearing itself apart with conservatives getting genuinely furious about the Creek incident and team-killing participants on sight while everyone else just wants to have fun playing the game.

          With things like these you need to lean HARD away from the idiot fascists in all media out of game. They did not, and are reaping the consequences.

          • a lil bee 🐝
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            What in the world happened? I played a lot in the first few weeks and remember the Creek situation as just being some people who played that planet constantly. How tf did real world politics come into that situation specifically?

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              There was a major order that barely failed because people were playing on Creek instead of defending supply lines.

              • a lil bee 🐝
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                Yeah I know about that, like I indicated in my comment up there. How in the world do conservatives factor into that situation? That’s what the commentor above said and I’m curious.

          • @Dendrologist
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            What was the Creek incident? Google hasn’t really helped

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              There was a major order that barely failed because people were playing on Creek instead of defending supply lines.

              • TAG
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                The supply lines were Creeking when people tried to play? Oh no. Why is that bad?

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          Yeah even if some people keep playing. Someone like myself who was entertaining of getting it would be turned off by seeing negative reviews (why go through the drama if I’m on the fence?).

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        Vocal minority is the assumption when this sort of collective outrage manifests. This time though, thanks to Steam player count we will actually get some hard numbers and see if that has an effect or not.

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          At current, there are 32k negative reviews. That’s 32,000 people angry enough to go add or modify a review to be negative. The active player base is 100k. As far as “vocal minority” goes…

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            Yeah but how many are bark and no bite? Eg, they’ll write the review, but keep playing anyway. That will take some time to find out.

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              I don’t think it will affect the current playerbase too much. But I think the negative rating on steam will have an effect on sales.

      • @AeonFelis
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        I think said “most people” will care once the game forces them to register for a PSN account.

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      Well, a number of countries will be forced out, simply because PSN is not available there. Especially the philipinos seem so be quite upset.

      PSN is available in 69 countries around the world. (Source: https://www.playstation.com/country-selector/index.html)

      right now there are (roughly) 190 independent countries in the world.

      The whole of Africa (except for SA; thanks to u/ItzOnza), Egypt and even european countries like Belarus don’t have PSN.

      The Baltics - states that are part of the european union - are also excluded.

      These people can’t create accounts.

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      Ive been waiting to get helldivers until I had a bit of spare cash.

      Now I’m not gonna get it.

      Just like I don’t want 50 different streaming services, I dont want 15 different launchers open just to play a game.

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        There’s no launcher as far as I know, just a linked account.

    • PHLAK
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      I bought the game on release week. I don’t play often but when I do it’s with friends. After hearing about this incident my plan was to wait a few days or a week to see how it resolves before deciding if I want to refund the game. However, enough of my friends have already refunded the game that, if they don’t come back, I likely won’t be playing much if at all anyway so I’ll probably refund the game this week as well, especially if nothing changes.

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      I signed into an old PSN account when I first downloaded the game near launch. It is in game. No launcher. I signed in once and forgot about it until right now. Not really a big deal. If your worried about security make some bogus email up and make an account that way. But other than signing in one time it hasn’t been a deal. 🤷‍♂️

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        Yeah, I used my old PS3 account. I didn’t even think twice about it. I’m not sure why people are freaking out about it?

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          I play with a couple of friends in the Baltics. I have PSN. There is no PSN in the Baltics. So I guess I can’t play with the friends I solely bought this game for.

          Just because it doesn’t affect you doesn’t mean it’s silly to complain about this.

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              No because it is not available in their country, and making an account with a region different from your Steam account would have inherent EULA risks.

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                Hopefully Sony will see this as the biggest problem and do something about it. I don’t think these people should have been able to spend money on this for it to be taken away, but that’s a storefront issue as well. Steam and Sony will have to make some decisions about this, cause it wasn’t thought out and implemented very well. They should’ve had some stronger safeguards.

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          I didn’t even think twice about it. I’m not sure why people are freaking out about it?

          They thought about it twice

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      I didn’t get the game because it’s packed full of all the terrible corporate stuff you see in terrible corporate games. Always Online, Rootkit anticheat, in-game store to purchase items when the game is already expensive. I doubt adding “must give your information to Sony” is going to be the tipping point for anyone who is fine with everything else.

      • @Cliff
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        Why does a fully cooperative game needs an anti-cheat software in the first place. I don’t give a fuck about cheaters as long as its not competitive. Deep rock galactic for example works great without all of this bullshit.

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          To prevent people from spawning in unreleased content that is in the game, giving their group the maximum cap of in-game currency, and so on. Tamps down on the boosting market.