While Ezra was taking a nap in his crib, the family’s Husky that they owned for eight years attacked out of nowhere.
“And to just bring awareness that it could be any dog at any time. Completely unprovoked, no matter what the history is,” Chloe said.
Same thing could have happened to us, except we kept our 90 lbs GSD the fuck away from our newborn. “It could be any dog at any time” uh… no shit? Genetically it’s a fucking wolf. Use your fucking brains people.
If this sounds insensitive, well it is. A license should be required to possess both dogs and children.
Yeah I love dogs and I really miss having some, but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t glad we didn’t have one when the kid was born. Not only for the safety aspect and not having to deal with making sure the dog and baby were safe, but also one less layer of having to care for another being.
I have both and agree with your statement. I had a paragraph typed up but it’s a lot to edit and it’s late. Call me lazy. The tl;dr version is supporting evidence for the dogs portion, and outlines that people need to have access to abortion, and/or screening on if they’re responsible enough to have kids. And now it’s a paragraph again. Ugh.
Is that a licence to possess either one, or both at the same time?
Yes
It may seem like no reason to us, but the dog had some reason.
It could be something as easily overlooked as suddenly diverting your attention and energy from the dog to the new child. Dog doesn’t understand, so the child becomes competition.
Huskies are smart. They certainly could understand that a new “pack member” is creating problems for them.
Huskies are also named in a list of dogs biting, harming, or even causing death. They’re down the list a ways below dogs like Pit Bulls, German Shepherds, and even chihuahuas (but those little dogs are often very poorly socialized and not trained).
Like 95% of these “studies” the results are completely useless.
Exactly like studies dealing with everything else, unless it is normalized “per 1000” etc. Comparing extremely popular dog breeds to rare ones needs to take that into account…
Kinda surprised Australian cattle dogs weren’t in the list. Mine is great with our 5mo but we wouldn’t leave him alone with her and we always pay close attention when she gets close to him. He ignores stuff she does that would cause him to warn us off.
Probably because the breed is comparatively rare. This study is useless.
Australian cattle dogs are temperamental but also a somewhat rare breed ive got two and while I trust one with my life and the other to mind her own business im still iffy about the one who would try to save me. Mainly cause hes completely neurotic love the boy though.
…why the hell did the dog have unsupervised access to the baby
Most people don’t consider this to be a danger because it’s such a rare situation that it’s newsworthy when it happens.
It’s not actually that rare. I mean, the death part is more unusual, but Dogs bite kids for no good reason all the damn time. Dogs should not be allowed around children unsupervised, period. It doesn’t matter how many times “it’s been fine” - all it takes is once.
Nothing with free will that isn’t another human is a potential danger to a baby. There are obviously tons of pets that don’t and having watched a lot of animals be interact with children under extremely strict supervision and controlled conditions I do think most pets do understand what the baby is and wouldn’t hurt it you can never know how they will react. Huskies are really smart and temperamental from what i understand, it’s insane to leave one near a baby
I have a husky, he’s a giant lovable teddy bear made of fluff who is a giant coward in front of any sort of adversity. It’s hard to imagine him hurting anything intentionally. He plays with my 2 cats and hasn’t intentionally harmed them in any way.
But then, I’ve also seen him catch a squirrel and crush it’s skull right in front of me, just because.
Dogs are still animals, and the bigger ones can still be dangerous even if they seem friendly and safe with the right conditions.
Even humans as well. No unsupervised access to any babies. every move must be monitored. /S
We joke, but then I think about someone I know and their piece of shit oldest son. He was clearly psychopathic around the age of four wanting to hurt babies and dogs. It never went away, and he frequently beats his younger siblings and strangles his youngest sibling. Parents don’t do shit about it, can’t hurt his feelings.
Sounds like a killer in the making, just watched a doc about a kid like that that went on to shoot up a mall.
He very much is. He has asked me to take him hunting. Told him there is no amount of money that will ever make that happen.
Being a good pet owner and/or parent means understanding that animals can be unpredictable. It’s not a slight to the animal, it’s reality. .
Up to a point, I’m not going to be a helicopter mom and not let my kid be constantly under surveillance. Like I’m going to see how and teach my kid as I have already done how to interact with animals. I let her get scratched by a farm cat as I told her to leave it alone and it was done with pets. She now teaches other kids how to handle animals, be gentle, and understand body language. On the other side, with my great Dane mix I introduced him to my kid and let him know she was fragile from the hospital. He has only hurt her once and that was because she went outside by herself when I told her not to(I was showing )and played ball with him. Was running with the ball and he knocked her down. She learned 2 lessons, to not go outside without me being ready and to not run with the ball.
I grew up with my moms friend that raised mastiffs and I would explore the open land she had with 6-10 giant dogs from 3rd to 5th grade unsupervised. Just go to her house after school and feed/play with the dogs until my mom came after work. Now I’m not some boomer saying back in my day, but coming from a millennial seeing adults of helicopter parents struggle with being on their own.
And there is a difference between a kid and a babie, my first comment was more directed at them saying anything with free will, other than a human. Not like humans are any better. I trust an unknown dog over a human, I can read them better and react accordingly.
You were absolutely right up until the “/s”…
Humans pose as great if not more of a risk than animals to babies.
I mean yeah, but I wrote the s to say I’m not pro surveillance.
I wonder if it was an unfixed male. It’s not uncommon in the animal world for other males to kill young they didn’t sire.
“And to just bring awareness that it could be any dog at any time. Completely unprovoked, no matter what the history is,” Chloe said.
Reminds me of that Onion article that pops up every time there’s a mass shooting in the US: “There’s no possible way we could have prevented this, says only country where this routinely happens”.
Dogs have co-existed with humans longer than just about any other domesticated animal. They don’t do things for no reason. If the parents didn’t see any signs, it’s because they weren’t looking hard enough.
Dogs can absolutely be dangerous. They’re often bred and trained to be dangerous. They don’t just spontaneously decide to be dangerous, especially after eight fucking years.
Even people sometimes just wake up day and snap for reasons beyond our control.
Now you’re generally right, most of these cases there’s some meaningful details missing and the “no history of attacks” is a lie.
We just can’t broadly apply that because we don’t know which one isn’t a lie.
Sometimes the thing that sets a dog off is just that they’re older and confused. Dogs do sometimes just snap with no warnings, same as humans.
Yes they do. Any dog can have a trigger you simply have not seen yet. I literally had my rescue dog bite me after 7ish years because I startled him once. Absolutely zero signs of aggression prior to that. Every dog has a line and it is impossible to know what that like is or if it has changed.
I think this is actually a more dangerous mindset. Any animal can be unpredictable, can do something you’ve never seen them do before. Maybe there were signs, but maybe there weren’t. Either way, it’s dangerous to wait for a “sign” before you start to set boundaries on how your pet interacts with any person.
This one did.
Animals follow their instincts. If something sets them off, they are set off.
Dogs don’t attack for no reason
This one did
Because it was following it’s instincts
Mfw
Do you not understand?
I don’t. Instincts are a reason. If it was following its instincts, it didn’t attack for no reason.
So it’s more like a semantics(what words mean) thing tripping you up.
Got it.
If you stand on your head, then pyramids look like ice cream cones.
Totally.
“there was no reason, but here’s the reason” isn’t semantics. It’s just you contradicting yourself one sentence later.
Yes, semantics, I get it.
You need things strictly defined for you but aren’t willing to provide parameters or ask questions.
You built a sand castle and then knocked it down all by yourself.
Very impressive.
Christ, my heart goes out to these parents. I cannot imagine the hell they’re living right now, makes me sick thinking about my own 6 week old. I’ll definitely be rethinking leaving him alone with our border collies from now on. It was so big of them to decide on organ donation; they’re basically using their loss to save other families.
Yes, as much as I love dogs, unfortunately they can be unpredictable even if we’ve had them for years. Whether it’s aggression (possibly around food or toys), prey drive, playing too rough, or just pure accident, they can cause a lot of harm to small bodies. I would not leave any dog unattended when an infant.
Yeah, dogs have a prey drive, and babies are unfortunately right in that “looks like prey” zone. Because, ya know, babies are prey. Your dog will fuck up a baby for the same reason that they’ll fuck up a squirrel or a cat.
Husky (the dog in this incident) prey drive is ridiculous too. I could imagine new parents might also be unable to give that sort of dog the stimulation it needs to be less likely to misbehave. * I am aware of how misbehaving is a massive understatement in this context. *
Some people put too much trust in animals. Even good animals can have “bad day”.
BuT He WaS AlWaYs a GoOd DoG!
Dogs are dangerous. Every goddamn time I got bit while working delivery the onwer would say "Oh he never bites! He is a good boy!" all the way up until a client dog attack required surgery, forever changed how I walk and keeps me in constant pain 24/7.
I fucking hate dogs, but I hate even more how dog owners make excuses for their dogs that put other people in danger.
Yepp, irresponsible dog owners are the fucking worst. Not only are you potentially going to harm someone outside the situation, it is also torture for the dog.
If you aren’t going to care for your pet, DONT GET ONE.
Hope you get jacked by a dog again
Boring uninteresting troll.
I should not have read that. I need to go give someone a hug.
Well, have an internet one from me - I’m just gonna take this as the prompt to close the tab without clicking through and be done on the net for the night. Thanks, buddy.
I only keep dogs under 30lbs and I still wouldn’t trust them near a child let alone a newborn. Jesus.
I am always fucking nervous when somebody leaves a child for a minute near me and my dog. And let me tell you: My dog is even more nervous. Just don’t.
The kid was in the crib? That’s confusing.
I really don’t like living with dogs to be honest. I can love and play with your dog, but I never want to live with one.
Pro: no constant barking, no chewed up stuff, no jumping and ignoring personal space, no begging, no dead babies.
Cons: dating site profiles have shown me over the years that 99.99999999999% of women are almost literally obsessed with dogs. Or at least that percentage of women who also use dating sites… :(
You’ve never lived with a dog that’s actually been trained then. I’ve had dogs my whole life and they’ve never done any of those things beyond the puppy stage. I recommend it, but it is a big responsibility, akin to parenting when done properly.
I love dogs and think they’re fantastic roommates, but I definitely get where you’re coming from. Most of the negatives of dog ownership can be fixed with proper training, but most people are too damn lazy. I often find myself annoyed by other people’s dogs as well. The only one of your listed problems I have to deal with is the personal space one (Golden retriever), and it’s as simple as saying “Go to your place” to solve/prevent it.
All that said, no dog, no matter the size or temperament, should EVER be left unattended with a small child, let alone an infant! Even with zero aggression dogs can hurt small children by smothering them or knocking them over. It’s as simple as buying baby gates to prevent it, and I just don’t understand why people let things like this happen :(
The training is really the biggest issue, I’d need to be completely in control of that. I’ve dated people in the past with the whole “oh but he’s too cute I can’t not do XYZ thing!” and their dog would drive me crazy.
Unfortunately that “oh but he’s so cute I can’t help it” crap bleeds over onto those of us responsible owners too. Golden puppies are adorable, and everyone wanted to let him jump on them when he was little. I would stop it at every turn, but it was a constant fight with him and other people trying to fix it. So what I’m saying is, screw those people. They make everyone’s life with dogs hell. -_-
Also dog owning girls are usually in better shape.
That family is kinder than me. I’d have killed the dog then and there.
I wouldn’t. But of course I wouldn’t want to see that dog ever again, no matter how much “good boy” he was.
Vengeance is a disgusting trait in people, just saying.
It’s also not the dogs fault, as controversial as that might seem to some people without further explanation or a bit of reflection.
Maybe, but I have lines I won’t have crossed and killing my family is one of those. Instinct or not that dog is not getting the chance to do that again.
In this scenario you’ve imagined here though, the rage you feel towards the dog is actually caused by your own negligence. Reflect on that if you like, or don’t. Either way I won’t return to this post because it’s a depressing subject I would rather move on from.
You’re really leaving it? Because you sure love judging others for it. This wouldn’t happen in my situation because I have had 3 kids and a dog the whole time and they’ve all lived. But let’s assume I had been negligent. I’d still kill the fuckin dog. Because any dog with that kind of problems doesn’t need to go to a pound to do it to someone else.
