We speak with reporter Oren Ziv of +972 Magazine, whose latest investigation details how Israeli forces in Gaza have been authorized to open fire on Palestinians virtually at will. Six soldiers who fought in Gaza describe a near-total absence of firing regulations, with soldiers shooting as they please, setting homes ablaze, leaving corpses to rot on the streets and more. “It seems soldiers were shooting not from a tactical reason or a real military reason, but just out of being bored, to pass the time or just because they could,” says Ziv. “Soldiers felt they can do whatever they want, that they won’t be accountable. And all this is done also with the awareness of the commanders.” We also hear from Yuval Green, one of the reservists who spoke to Ziv and who now refuses to continue serving in the Israeli military. “I believe that continuing this war and continuing the death of Palestinians and Israeli soldiers is not right. I believe that right now the right thing to do is to sign the ceasefire treaty that is going to release the hostages and end this war,” Green says.

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An interview with with reporter Oren Ziv of +972 Magazine, whose latest investigation details how Israeli forces in Gaza have been authorized to open fire on Palestinians virtually at will. Six soldiers who fought in Gaza describe a near-total absence of firing regulations, with soldiers shooting as they please, setting homes ablaze, leaving corpses to rot on the streets and more.

“It seems soldiers were shooting not from a tactical reason or a real military reason, but just out of being bored, to pass the time or just because they could,” says Ziv.

“Soldiers felt they can do whatever they want, that they won’t be accountable. And all this is done also with the awareness of the commanders.”

[…] several soldiers told us, that the army was not dealing with dead people, dead Palestinians, and it was very common to see them on the side of the road when they’re moving to one place to another […] Israeli soldiers were deployed inside Palestinian homes and houses, and when they had to move to a new position, the official policy, as we understand, was to burn the house down. The soldiers would gather the mattresses and the furniture and light the house on fire and move on. The official explanation by the commanders […] was the fact that they don’t want anything sensitive to be left there, military equipment or maps or anything like that, but also that Hamas will not use the houses. But between the lines, you can understand that this was also an act of revenge to punish Palestinian civilians and also to make sure they cannot go back to those areas, areas that at least some people in the army believed would stay in Israeli control.

  • Flying Squid
    66•4 months ago

    How do you even get around to the “I’m bored, so I’ll commit murder” mode of thinking?

      • Flying Squid
        22•4 months ago

        I guess I just can’t even comprehend looking at what is undeniably a member of my species that way.

        • @meleecrits
          13•4 months ago

          That is because you have a good moral compass.

    • @[email protected]
      25•4 months ago

      Brainwashing.

      The US military does this too then get really upset when the young impressionable minds they’ve ruined do stupid shit.

      • Jo Miran
        9•4 months ago

        I read somewhere that the US armed forces started to change they way they trained after they determined that too many soldiers were refusing or hesitating to shoot enemy combatants. The first true test of the new training methods was Vietnam.

        • @WoahWoah
          3•4 months ago

          I also recall reading that most new soldiers would often intentionally aim over the head of their targets. The thing about war is, though, that eventually the people you come to have strong bonds with are either killed or in danger of being killed. The longer you’re in a war, the easier it is to justify your fury.

          The movie Fury is basically about this phenomenon. You start in the war perhaps reticent to murder, but if you see enough war, your moral horizon shifts in response to the real (whether justified or not) violence and horror that is inextricable from war itself, regardless of sides or justifications.

  • @ProvableGecko
    11•4 months ago

    Just imagine how any other Israeli official would treat Palestinians in any other kind of encounter during daily life when stakes and potential for scrutiny are lower.

    This is why I’ll always be for a two state solution, any other option is irreconcilable with the current administration (and let’s face it, the general populace) of Israel and there is no way to hold them accountable.

  • @anon_8675309
    7•4 months ago

    Not to get into the politics of this but simply as a human, to be able to just kill another human because you’re bored. We put people in prison for that. I get that if it’s your life on the line and you need to survive but just out of boredom I don’t get that.