• @espentan
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      145 months ago

      Waiting for the guide on retractable keels…

      Types of retractable keels: Fixed

      • @friend_of_satan
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        125 months ago

        Are there keels that are not fixed to the hull?

        • @grue
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          Not fixed while in operation, no (if it’s not rigidly mounted it can’t apply torque to the hull). Not fixed permanently, yes: they’re called “daggerboards.”

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daggerboard

        • @[email protected]
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          65 months ago

          Yes, a daggerboard. It’s like a centerboard keel, but slides through a slot instead of swinging up into the hull.

        • moonlight
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          I don’t think so. A daggerboard or centerboard has a similar purpose, but by definition is not a keel.

    • @PM_Your_Nudes_Please
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      65 months ago

      “Fixed” refers to the fact that the keel isn’t removable. It’s either part of the boat’s hull, or it’s bolted on and can’t be removed without dry-docking the boat.

      There are some boat designs with removable keels. For instance, many small sailboats (called a dinghy) have removable keels, so you can remove the keel and beach them easily. The downside to having a removable keel on a sailboat is that it makes the boat prone to capsizing in strong winds; A fixed keel can have a built in ballast to keep the boat from tipping. But on a dinghy, you need to use a live ballast (literally your own body weight leaning out of the boat) to counteract the wind’s effects.

      • @riodoro1
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        25 months ago

        Isn’t a non weighted and removable „keel” on small sailing dinghies called a „dagger board” and is there only for mitigating drift?

      • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet
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        15 months ago

        That’s some fun stuff though, especially on a catamaran when one of the two hulls is entirely is up in the air.

  • @grue
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    205 months ago

    One neat unmentioned advantage of a bilge keel is that it often enables careening without having to tip the boat on its side or use stands to prop it up.

    I also feel like this cool guide should mention differences in draft between different styles of keel.

  • @Ersatz86
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    The first entry “full or long fin keel” is technically a modified full keel with a cutaway forefoot. A true full keel would have the keel extending almost in a straight vertical line from the stem to intersect the horizontal line of the bottom of the keel.

    The modified full keel is a nice compromise between the comfort and stability of a full keel and the maneuverability of a fin keel.

    Both types of full keel benefit from having a fully protected propeller in an aperture and the additional safety and security of a fully hung rudder. Additionally, nothing beats a full keel for rock solid dependability as the keel is molded into the hull, whereas a fin keel is generally attached by bolts, a far less structurally reliable method.

    Neither can compete for speed or maneuverability with a fin or bulb keel for several reasons, not the least of which is far more additional wetted hull area and the water friction inherent therein.

    I could be mistaken, but I believe this is the first time I’ve ever seen “full” and “fin” used to describe the same item. I believe those are mutually exclusive terms.

    • southsamurai
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      75 months ago

      Ngl, I’m at half chub from a comment like this that expands on something cool with even more cool detail

      • @Ersatz86
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        55 months ago

        Lol, in that case, I regret for once not divulging the unsolicited full info dump for fear of growing preachy/pedantic. We might’ve achieved full arousal!

  • Wet Noodle
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    105 months ago

    Thought this was a meme about how boats would wear pants for a second

  • @thesporkeffect
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    55 months ago

    The tier list is missing some stat that would explain why anyone would use the bilge keel

    • edric
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      25 months ago

      Yeah I was wondering the same. The first thing that came to mind is it’s probably the cheapest?

  • @[email protected]
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    45 months ago

    Does having a keel imply that the ship is self-righting? Like, completely submerged, does it also guarantee that the ship floats back to the top, oriented?

    • @[email protected]
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      35 months ago

      Yes. They are weighted with lead, and help keep the boat topside-up. They are also a critical component to the functioning of sail propulsion. The keel works in a kind of opposition to the sail to propel the boat forward, similar to how squeezing an ice cube between your thumb and finger will ‘squirt’ it out in a direction perpendicular to those forces.

    • noughtnaut
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      But also no, if it’s capsized, the boat may right itself in time before it floods to a point where it sinks.

      A fully submerged boat will not bob to the surface. The keel adds stability and (counter)weight, but negative buoyancy - what keeps the boat afloat is the air in the hull.

      Once it’s fully submerged, there’s nothing pulling it up (unless you have some seriously good (and closed!) hatches…