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What is it with you and finding articles with the most naively negative possible take on any given topic ?
They have an agenda. Anything that doesn’t fit the narrative is ignored, and that’s coming straight from ozmas own mouth.
You can tag this user (many of us have)
The article makes a lot of very valid points, and for there to be real change in Gaza it’s going to take more than just hope. Real, sustained pressure is going to be necessary.
That said, there is, IMO, literally zero chance that we will actually see any movement on this issue until after election day. Until the vote is in the bag, Harris cannot risk pissing off AIPAC. Despite all the energy, this is still a very, very tight race. The author points out that for people in Gaza waiting until the election isn’t really an option - Isreal isn’t just going to stop killing them until America gets its shit sorted - but that doesn’t change the political reality that the Dems are facing.
If Trump gets in, he will, unquestionably, be worse for Palestine. He will actively encourage Israel’s genocide in ways we can’t even imagine. If it involves killing brown people he’s all for it. For there to be any possibility of an improvement in the situation there, the Dems have to win, and for the Dems to win they have to stay silent on this issue.
So what pro-Palestinian activists have to do is be ready to make Palestine the number one issue in America from the moment the last polling booth closes, and not let up until the last day of Harris’ administration if that’s what it takes. With the realities of the situation being what it is, that’s the only way it’s going to get done.
Edit (because I realise I phrased some of this badly): I’m not suggesting that anyone should shut up about this between now and the election. We should absolutely continue to keep the issue in the public’s mind. Force Harris to leave the door open to real change. Just don’t expect any real or meaningful change in the position of any part of the Democrat ticket until after they no longer have to worry about AIPAC dropping a sledgehammer on them.
Until the vote is in the bag, Harris cannot risk pissing off AIPAC.
Does it really not bother Americans that a foreign country can pretty much choose your elected officials?
I’d argue it certainly should. But I’m not an American myself, just someone who’s invested in what happens there because - as this Isreal shit resoundingly demonstrates - what happens in America affects the whole world.
It’s never been quite as blatant as it is now, but as long as I can recall, this is the way it’s always been.
Harris is fully on board with the genocide.
Her husbands take on the anti-genocide protests: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/04/doug-emhoff-anti-semitism-college-campuses-00125384
If she actually were against the genocide this would be the best time to speak up to secure the muslim vote and yet https://www.jpost.com/us-elections/article-811309
In fact she literally tells protesters to shut up https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/harris-vs-the-hecklers
I read the articles you posted. 1- Doug Emhoff was speaking on the lack of distinction between Jewish people and the actions of the Israeli government. This is an actual problem, and he was citing instances of bullying based on this confusion without supporting the Israeli government. Unless I’m mistaken?
2- that’s an article for the Jerusalem Post. One look at the comments tells me that she’s not supporting Israel. She advocates for a two state solution and says that the conditions the Palestinians are in is unacceptable.
3- I think this could have been handled more tactfully.
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Doug Emhoff is suggesting that the anti-genocide protests are motivated by antisemitism. His main points is to deligitimate these protests, not to draw a distinction between Jewish people and Israeli.
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Harris’ words are complete nothing-burger bolstering Biden’s appearances of giving aid, or calling for aid or getting real angry with Netanyahu for the 16th time. There is nothing of substance there. “Please give the victims of your genocide some more food please?”. Right now on the campaign trail is the time to call for actual action or promising it, to say something against the genocide and yet she is silent. I shared the article to show what she isn’t saying.
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Why is her response to “We won’t vote for genocide” not distancing herself from Israel’s crime, like instinctually? They’re accusing her of being part of a genocide and instead of saying “woah I’m not part of that” her response is “well guess who would be worse!”.
There is nothing to suggest that Harris wouldn’t do exactly what Biden is doing. She can’t even say she would do anything to stop Israel. Not even while she is trying to win voters on the campaign trail, a time when politicians makes the grandest promises. It’s wishful thinking to believe that anything would change about the US stance to Israel and it’s crimes once she is elected.
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Shitposting agitprop won’t save gaza, either.
Keep it up though, I love the laughs you give me.
Don’t bother commenting on your posts, it’s hard always being wrong about literally everything.
Ah, yes. I was completely wrong about saying “Biden will be replaced” months prior because I said they would replace him at the convention. My bad. It was before the convention. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/gaza-kamala-harris-tim-walz/
Does anyone believe that copmala is not on board with genocide?
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/harris-vs-the-hecklers in case anyone had lingering hope
love how no one argues against this but keeps on downvoting. 🙉 🙈 🙊
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Removed, civility.
I’m not worth being taken seriously? Literal fascist rhetoric.
Comes in screeching propaganda. Gets butthurt when told to sit down. Hilarious.
Can’t argue their case but has to resort to dehumanizing rhetoric
“Wow why are you so offended bro”You opened with an ad hominem. Don’t whine about being dismissed out of hand after the fact. Arguing with propagandists and toddlers is always a waste of time.
No I didn’t. I’m not arguing with Harris. And even if I did there is a difference between calling someone a mean word and dehumanizing words like “you’re not worth” something.
So, calling her “Copmala” wasn’t a way to dismiss her out of hand? And yet, your opinion deserves to be heard?
🎵 Hello cognitive dissonance, my old friend. 🎵
There is no genocide happening. War is an ugly thing. Kamala isn’t going to change US policy toward Israel because there are no good options. If there were, Biden would have taken them already.
The ICC and ICJ heard evidence of both sides and ruled that yes it’s happening. The Israeli government is boldly bragging about it, with Netanyahu bragging in speeches that there won’t be a Palestinian state as long as he’s in power, and his cabinet members are openly talking about eliminating Palestine and forcibly evicting millions of Palestinians into Jordan.
That’s what tends to happen when you lose a war.
So you’re both denying and excusing genocide. Pick one and stick with it.
The way you describe it, every war in history has been genocide.
The way you describe it, every genocide is a mere war.
There is no genocide happening.
Place your bets, people: is it willful ignorance or just denial?
Regular old centrist orthodoxy.
That’s correct. You don’t have to be happy about it.
Don’t worry. I’m not at all happy that the entire centrist wing of the Democratic Party agrees with you 100%.
Send them a message and vote for Trump 🙄
Oh, that makes more sense. You’re a Trump supporter.
I’m actually suggesting you’re a Trump supporter
even natopedia and all it’s hasbara shills has capitulated on that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide
This is factually inaccurate: “This article is about genocide accusations…”
“But, there aren’t any death camps!”
-random Berliner, 1943
No centrist is disagreeing with this guy because no centrist ever has.
