I’ve noticed some files I opened in a text editor have all kinds of crazy unrenderable chars

  • @palebluethought
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    56 hours ago

    can it? Sure, most any arrangement of bits can be converted into some kind of Unicode text. Can it be converted to something meaningful or readable? No, some formats are plain text (.txt, .ini, .json, .html for some random examples) that are meant to be read by humans, and others are binary formats that are only meaningful when decoded by a computer into specific data structures inside a piece of software.

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      Can you comment on the specific makeup of a “rendered” audio file in plaintext, how is the computer representing every little noise bit of sound at any given point, the polyphony etc?

      What are the conventions of such representation? How can a spectrogram tell pitches are where they are, how is the computer representing that?

      Is it the same to view plaintext as analysing it with a hex-viewer?

      • Ephera
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        There’s two things at play here.

        MP3 (or WAV, OGG, FLAC etc.) provide a way to encode polyphony and stereo and such into a sequence of bytes.

        And then separately, there’s Unicode (or ASCII) for encoding letters into bytes. These are just big tables which say e.g.:

        • 01000001 = uppercase ‘A’
        • 01000010 = uppercase ‘B’
        • 01100001 = lowercase ‘A’

        So, what your text editor does, is that it looks at the sequence of bytes that MP3 encoded and then it just looks into its table and somewhat erronously interprets it as individual letters.

      • @[email protected]
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        I think you are conflating a few different concepts here.

        Can you comment on the specific makeup of a “rendered” audio file in plaintext, how is the computer representing every little noise bit of sound at any given point, the polyphony etc?
        What are the conventions of such representation? How can a spectrogram tell pitches are where they are, how is the computer representing that?

        This is a completely separate concern from how data can be represented as text, and will vary by audio format. The “simplest”, PCM encoded audio like in a .wav file, doesn’t really concern itself at all with polyphony and is just a quantised representation of the audio wave amplitude at any given instant in time. It samples that tens of thousands of times per second. Whether it’s a single pure tone or a full symphony the density of what’s stored is the same. Just an air-pressure-over-time graph, essentially.

        Is it the same to view plaintext as analysing it with a hex-viewer?

        “Plaintext” doesn’t really have a fixed definition in this context. It can be the same as looking at it in a hex viewer, if your “plaintext” representation is hexadecimal encoding. Binary data, like in audio files, isn’t plaintext, and opening it directly in a text editor is not expected to give you a useful result, or even a consistent result. Different editors might show you different “text” depending on what encoding they fall back on, or how they represent unprintable characters.

        There are several methods of representing binary data as text, such as hexadecimal, base64, or uuencode, but none of these representations if saved as-is are the original file, strictly speaking.

      • @AbouBenAdhem
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        26 hours ago

        Most binary-to-text encodings don’t attempt to make the text human-readable—they’re just intended to transmit the data over a text-only medium to a recipient who will decode it back to the original binary format.

        • @cheese_greaterOP
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          I do understand I’m not able to read it myself, I’m more curious about the architecture of how that data is represented and stored and conceptually how such representation is practically organized/reified…

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            The original binary format is broken into six-bit chunks (e.g., 100101), which in decimal format correspond to the integers from 0 to 63. These are just mapped to letters in order:
            000000 (0) = A,
            000001 (1) = B,
            000010 (2) = C,
            etc.—it goes through the capital letters first, then lower-case letters, then digits, then “+” and “/”.

            It’s so simple you could do it by hand from the above description, if you were looking at the data in binary format.

    • @cheese_greaterOP
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      But its still contains the actual data in a faithfully reproducible/useable way?

      • @[email protected]
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        56 hours ago

        Yes. Decoding a base64 encoded string will give you back the exact original data.

        Importantly though, this isn’t what you’re seeing when you open files in a text editor as you describe in your original post, and if you copied the text of those files and saved a new copy it’s very likely that it would not reproduce correctly.

      • @[email protected]
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        yes, this method doesn’t lose any bits. one of its primary use before was email which was strictly text only.

  • @JASN_DE
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    36 hours ago

    Are those binary files by any chance?

    • @cheese_greaterOP
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      I just mean like any file (pdf, jpeg, mp4, mp3, exe—

      mp4/mp3 most famously for me

      I find it so damn cool and incredible I can record something/anything right now and open the audio in a text file and its all right there—albeit in an incomprehensible format but there altogether.

      Its like a thinking rock etching sound into stone

      • Admiral Patrick
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        If you’re on Linux, you can convert that to something more human readable by piping it to base64. It works with any file, but I’ll use an image here:

        cat image.webp | base64

        Which yields:

        UklGRroEAABXRUJQVlA4WAoAAAAgAAAAYwAAQgAASUNDUKACAAAAAAKgbGNtcwRAAABtbnRyUkdC
        IFhZWiAH6AAIABoADgAJACBhY3NwQVBQTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA9tYAAQAA
        AADTLWxjbXMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA1k
        ZXNjAAABIAAAAEBjcHJ0AAABYAAAADZ3dHB0AAABmAAAABRjaGFkAAABrAAAACxyWFlaAAAB2AAA
        ABRiWFlaAAAB7AAAABRnWFlaAAACAAAAABRyVFJDAAACFAAAACBnVFJDAAACFAAAACBiVFJDAAAC
        FAAAACBjaHJtAAACNAAAACRkbW5kAAACWAAAACRkbWRkAAACfAAAACRtbHVjAAAAAAAAAAEAAAAM
        ZW5VUwAAACQAAAAcAEcASQBNAFAAIABiAHUAaQBsAHQALQBpAG4AIABzAFIARwBCbWx1YwAAAAAA
        AAABAAAADGVuVVMAAAAaAAAAHABQAHUAYgBsAGkAYwAgAEQAbwBtAGEAaQBuAABYWVogAAAAAAAA
        9tYAAQAAAADTLXNmMzIAAAAAAAEMQgAABd7///MlAAAHkwAA/ZD///uh///9ogAAA9wAAMBuWFla
        IAAAAAAAAG+gAAA49QAAA5BYWVogAAAAAAAAJJ8AAA+EAAC2xFhZWiAAAAAAAABilwAAt4cAABjZ
        cGFyYQAAAAAAAwAAAAJmZgAA8qcAAA1ZAAAT0AAACltjaHJtAAAAAAADAAAAAKPXAABUfAAATM0A
        AJmaAAAmZwAAD1xtbHVjAAAAAAAAAAEAAAAMZW5VUwAAAAgAAAAcAEcASQBNAFBtbHVjAAAAAAAA
        AAEAAAAMZW5VUwAAAAgAAAAcAHMAUgBHAEJWUDgg9AEAALAQAJ0BKmQAQwA+8WSmTqmlKCYvmWqp
        MB4JZQDLnNaF2NMD2L3xQGb5nmLiGhGWxQuD8kwUSXF0u2UTgX0YrR3MY2SsRCNEQ8hZ6WkCUTih
        LdmsElHZVzoMwO/fj4X/ZSNT2R9qgxwqgEed891j4KCNRLK/tUbG3hZ3Mw2kixguSFIEcAgBtv8w
        eAu0PwAA/upMzBqq+dcN8viO7FpqpV6GvPcRILm+HsOQblnpHx03lASjGlSyGbkKUD3xA5KOqgq/
        VEUJ4qF9VoAYFbFhQRAgkvmREk5umMj8sr9Np95+n/oP2Aq2VW5xU4F1xpD8Vd4Dp7Phwm9w/Dnf
        94djRROFRYPZeg/1Q/qiROFRVRu2nBcgndbhc0x0h+kgvT/naeJOEqwNjYPlIiw/DGuxav7+x09R
        mf2mJto3ineDqfyMWUN83PmKqzGHkYGhZrTU478qjlQucDzWkwobnUmzhE6I+mDYkfiUVPcHyXbf
        xXRStyPiPZAkJZrE9OrjFNUeljRQdVTQqeBsy+O9VwDLU5GcKhBQHa4cj+/DGqUhi74WH0EuHsb3
        EgZVNc1FbRm5QFOpjDSprGIRYxe6sFFDrDOg4DhWZRnOa7s68pGaDDpbqrORxzPHXPbs55/1HTas
        DDGzKFmTG4hJ2GUZKqjPcQ+MAAAA
        

        Copy that into a text file and pass it to base64 with the decode flag, and you’ll get the original binary:

        cat data.txt | base64 -d > data.bin

        Inspect it to see what kind of file it is:

        file data.bin -> data.bin: RIFF (little-endian) data, Web/P image

        Rename it so you can just double-click it to open it:

        mv data.bin data.webp

        Enjoy the surprise.

        You can also print files like that, scan them using OCR, and then restore them. A very inefficient way to do backups, but it works.

        • @cheese_greaterOP
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          How is it representing it tho? Like does it have woven in there an array of hexcode colors for every microscopic pixel that makea up the picture.

          Are images and audio files just arrays of frames which are arrays of pixels and sound units?

          • Admiral Patrick
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            It just converts the raw binary data into character encoding, so it doesn’t matter what the source is (image, video, database file, etc). The source binary data is taken 6 bits at a time, then this group of 6 bits is mapped to one of 64 unique characters.

            The decoding process is just the reverse of that: mapping the data back to binary form.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base64