• Alphane MoonOPM
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      72 months ago

      I don’t believe SMIC has commercially viable 5 nm.

    • @[email protected]
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      32 months ago

      I’m far from an expert on the topic but from the discussion that I’ve heard it’s also a matter of yield and cost.

  • NaibofTabr
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    122 months ago

    Er… so China is closing the gap then. A+ for the attempt at positive framing.

  • @Valmond
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    42 months ago

    No worries, we’ll hit a hard wall somewhere around 5nm because moores law is dead!! \s

    • Alphane MoonOPM
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      72 months ago

      Arguably Moore’s law is indeed dead. But that doesn’t mean we can’t get improvements from other areas like advanced packaging, chip power supply and so on…

      • @Valmond
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        32 months ago

        You missed the /s I don’t think moores law is that dead.

        • Alphane MoonOPM
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          82 months ago

          I guess that would depend on your interpretation of Moore’s law.

          Improvement in semiconductor performance is clearly not dead.

          But “[relatively] easy automatic wins” from moving to a new node are starting to become less common. Prices for new nodes are not getting cheaper (even on a standardized basis), performance/efficiency/size gains are becoming more modest and ramp-up/deployment times are becoming longer and longer.

          • @Valmond
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            12 months ago

            Yeah true, no need to nitpick about transistors per mm² :-)

            Stuff gets denser, sometimes more efficient, and it goes on and on, more to the rhyme of international markets today than trying to keep up with old Moore.

            It also feels like the target market have changed (again), from better PCs to handhelds, for example.

        • @stoly
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          12 months ago

          But I thought it stopped being correct about ten years ago?

          • @Valmond
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            12 months ago

            The chief engineer of Intel predicted that it’d probably be impossible to get to 1um when they broke the 3um barrier.

            Ya, um, not nm. So my bet is it will probably continue, it’s not really a law and everyone interprets it differently too so.

  • @NegativeLookBehind
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    42 months ago

    I just started the book called Chip Wars. Super interesting so far!