• @EldritchEnglish
    15•2 days ago

    Yes, that’s the whole reason wealthy fascists, foreign governments, and Republican establishment fund and assist nominally left 3rd party challengers. Especially in national elections where they have no chance. Specifically to disadvantage Democrats and the left in general, helping fascists win. They’ve been doing it nearly a half century or more now.

    Keeping the left divided is the best way to keep it out of power.

    • @Letme
      1•2 days ago

      I agree with you, but hate how we refer to democrats as “the left”. Democrats are “the center”, MAGA’ts are the extreme Christo-fascist right. We have no left, and the Republican party is all but extinct.

      • @EldritchEnglish
        10•2 days ago

        Democrats are not a monolith. There are highly right wing wealthy democrats. And then there are Centrist to socialist Democrats Like Bernie Sanders etc. The Democrats are a coalition party. And unfortunately the only realistic party the left has at the national level due to the way the system works. So whether or not you like it you need to get used to acknowledging it. Not doing so is What’s led to a lot of the division we’re dealing with now.

        Especially right now. A large chunk of Democratic Leadership is aging out or close to. A significant focused push could see a much more left-leaning Democratic Party. Maybe even someday a possible speaker Ocassio-Cortez. Parties, their make up, and their policy changes generationally. All we have to do is engaged with the system. Stop fighting for scraps on the side.

        • @Letme
          1•15 hours ago

          Not sure if that’s a good thing. The Democrat party is barely strong enough to defeat the GOP even with their extreme right rhetoric and actions. The extreme left is dragging the democrats down. Time will tell, but I would rather see the democrats pick up the “real” Republicans, and put the final nail in the coffin of the GOP. To do that they might need to shed the extreme left.

          • @EldritchEnglish
            2•13 hours ago

            That’s because they’re both a coalition, and their voters expect improvement. Often unrealistically from them. To the point that they let unobtainable perfection get in the way of whats achievable.

            Whereas Republicans/conservatives are fickle. Driven by their fears. They don’t expect or care about improvement. Just that “others” are hurt worse than them. The GOP itself found out the hard way that it isn’t really power. Someone always eventually comes along with equally empty promises and rhetoric but simply a more extreme tone. To steal their sheep away. All that borrowed and abused power evaporating completely. Because it was never theirs.

  • @[email protected]
    0•1 day ago

    No, of course not. If Harris loses, there is a basically 0% chance of anyone other than Trump winning. But that doesn’t matter, because this stupid waste of a paywall didn’t even address the actual numbers, just some poll that doesn’t say anything about actual voter habits.

    What this stupidly worded title seems to imply is the spoiler effect, where a third party candidate may receive enough votes to change the winner of the election. To be clear, this is only possible because Trump is the main threat to Harris: if she were already ahead by 100 electoral votes, the spoiler effect would be impossible. But as it stands today, the odds of a third party candidate actually affecting this election are less than 1%, so no, Jill Stein and Bear Head Kennedy are not going to have any measurable effect on the election results.