I’d really love if somebody would give GIMP the Blender treatment. It’s very good software but some of the UI paradigms are quite outdated. All their floating windows and dialogs do not work well on multiple screens.
From the update:
One area we want to focus on after 3.0 is improving our UI/UX design process. We have set up a separate UX repository to report and discuss issues related to design. We are looking to build a team of designers to discuss and create design improvements to GIMP that also respect existing user’s workflows. Denis Rangelov has taken a strong interest in this area and has already done great work in identifying, categorizing, and moving design issues from the code repository to the dedicated design section. Some design improvements have already been implemented for 3.0, and we look forward to working with community designers to give people a better experience!
It’ll take some time, but it seems like improvments may be coming.
That’s pretty neat. I do hope they do some solid UI/UX research on it, and figure out their own way of smoothing things out without simply “making it like Photoshop” like the grouchy masses are clamoring for. :p
Blender had some odd ideas at first, but I really appreciate their unique approach that, IMHO, makes an Autodesk product feel heavy and kludgy by comparison.
respect existing workflows
Please don’t. Existing workflows in the tough spots are 100% workarounds.
Having a hotkey for the zoom tool is a workaround for not being able to scroll the mouse wheel without holding a key down or changing settings.
It’s already been done
I was already aware of this fork. I haven’t tried it, but does it really fix most of the UX issues of GIMP?
i’m a photoshop simp who straight up couldn’t use GIMP because of the clunky UI, but after switching to linux i’m an avid photogimp advocate.
Ohhh great. Their UI always seemed old and crappy.
https://graphite.rs looks like it might replace gimp at some point
Maybe? It looks like it’s tuned towards generative use cases. Sometimes you need to just edit a photo really quickly and setting up a bunch of nondestructive nodes seems like more of a hassle than help.
But hopefully I’m wrong! This is the first I’ve heard of the project.
Nose based software typically still has a sidebar ala Lightroom for quick things. Both Blender and Graphite use this approach. Nodes are for when you want to go further.
Looks like they’ll be more in Krita’s waters, if anything. And Krita already has a solid UI.
Graphite.rs is node-based.
It’s entirely different workflow.
No it isnt, i used it and while there is that, you can totally ignore it
This actually seems pretty great alternative to PS, thanks for the tip!
Windows -> Single Window Mode
I use single window mode but it still does not stop modal dialogs from popping up in the stupidest places on my dual monitor setup.
FreeCAD just got folders. I can finally organize my models. GIMP’s version of this would be multi-select layers.
It’s ugly for sure, but I think the biggest barrier to entry is the shortcut keys. Blender’s Industry Standard mode makes it a lot easier for Maya users to switch. Something similar for Photoshop users would kill.
GIMPshop used to exist for that purpose.
I never thought I’d witness the release of 3.0 in my lifetime
You might still not. Make sure to look both ways when crossing the road.
Is this a threat?
fyi at least in the US you are only legally allowed to make death threats (or carry them out for that matter) if you are actively driving a motor vehicle at the time, please for your own safety if you are going to murder someone or threaten to murder them, do it behind the wheel of a motor vehicle or you could end up in serious trouble with the law!
Yeah, cars suck.
Careful. You might get hit by a bus.
I’ve been binging the Final Destination movies, this is coming p close.
Yet Han is still alive in Fast and Furious 9.
Hold your horses. An RC is not a release. I don’t trust it.
The third one is almost impossible. Ask Valve.
year of the linux desktop?
Oh man, I’m SO EXCITED for GIMP 3. I’ve been wanting these features in GIMP for literally decades.
Beautiful work … I really don’t mind the long wait between releases … the previous Gimp 2.0 versions were so robust and practical that they have lasted for close to 20 years
In the early 2000s, I started off with cracked version of photoshop before I discovered GIMP and as soon as I did, I stuck with them since. They’ve saved me several thousand dollars in software costs over the past 20 years that I really don’t mind waiting for the latest major release.
They can take their time releasing 3.0 for all I care. I’m still using 2.10 and I probably will for the next long while until 3.0 becomes stable. They’ve done a mountainous amount of work already and I congratulate them on everything.
This makes me realize too that I should probably donate something to their community for all the money they’ve saved me over the years.
The problem with gimp 2 is that it depends on python2 which is EOL
damn I have been using this damn program for… decades?
I have been yelling at it in frustration for equally as long… but seriously in terms of raw, no bullshit, consistent utility to people, GIMP deserves an immense amount of credit.
obviously looking forward to the non destructive editing updates and darktable integration sounds really nice, big fan of darktable.
darktable kicks ass and I say that as someone who hates editing photos almost as much as I like taking them!
indeed, ditto here.
Ugh I can’t wrap my mind around how weird and unintuitive GIMP feels to use
longstanding critics of the UI/UX will be pleased to hear that GIMP are setting up a UX repository and are looking to build a dedicated team of designers to develop this
Thanks.
In the meanwhile I discovered PhotoGIMP, which helps with getting basic stuff done through GIMP and addresses some points around image and layer selection and manipulation that used to be so confusing with GIMP.
Anybody know if we’ll ever get a real timeline? As in a GUI element for Animating where you add frames?
I would recommend Krita for that.
Probably pretty unlikely, as there’s a lot of improvements left to do for image editing. I’d imagine animation tooling is a very low priority since other tools built for this purpose handle it better than is possible without lots of work.
Out of interest, how do you export your animation?
Do other tools really exist, though? I do some animation in Blender, but the only real image editor I have access to with a timeline is pirated Photoshop which I hate using because their interface is garbo. There exist several industry-use programs like ToonBoom or Clip Studio Paint EX for hundreds of dollars.
I just would feel most comfortable animating in GIMP tbh. If they announced it was in the works I could probably even pitch in a donation to help it along.
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Someone else needs to take over gimp.
Offering your services to maintain a fork?
that is the typical gnome response yeah. " don’t like it? do it yourself but we sure won’t merge it"
It’s cool we can hop to COSMIC DE soon
5/6 of MRs get merged…
MRs from who? Because in my experience it often feels like a closed club in gnome land.
I’ve had experience trying to contribute to evince the gnome PDF viewer. It was so frustrating and I was immediately and repeatedly confronted with negativity and distrust that I quit. That was the only time I did that after making a serious effort.
If you scare away anyone else it’s no wonder that it seems like there is no problem.
Gnome is a very large project with hundreds of different developers and maintainers. I can’t speak to your experience but you should avoid generalizing like that, also filing a complaint is always an option; there’s a few people over the years that have been kicked out.
Yea I think there is a misunderstanding. My first question was not rhetorical. I was just expressing that my personal experience matches the one described above.
With that both statements could have some truth: 5/6 MRs could be merged and it could still be that they dislike external contributions.
I will not file a complaint or anything like that. It was not that I was insulted nor assaulted just they gave me the vibe that external contribution was not very welcome. While frustrating that is ok, even if it could’ve been better communicated. Also it was like 4 years ago.
With that both statements could have some truth: 5/6 MRs could be merged and it could still be that they dislike external contributions.
External contributions aren’t really a thing, 99% of contributions come from people that have been contributing for a while.
As for your MR, you need to go where help is actually wanted, solve issues nobody has gotten to yet. Newer projects are typically easier to contribute to. Probably inquire a bit about the maintainers and project direction in general first.
No, just using better software.
Why do you say that?
Yeah, I’m wondering as well.
Is their UX still a nightmare even after 20 years of complaints?
Did a quick google and it doesn’t look like 3.0 is gonna be unfucking that, so maybe that
Their UX hasn’t changed a whole lot in 3.0, but they have that work in their road map, so it’s not like they don’t care.
