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Won’t destroy democracy: Check.
✅ Also has some good ideas
Which unfortunately will never get anywhere because the Republicans are almost guaranteed to win back the Senate…
It really sucks. Either Trump wins and gets the trifecta of control letting the fascists at the heritage foundation run rampant or Kamala wins but still loses the Senate and we get nothing but the statue quo for at least 2 more years… But if anything the Republicans will gain seats in the next cycle because they can point to the previous 2 years of nothing (caused by them) as evidence that Democrats suck…
Big sad. :(
I mean, at least she used to, before she started hanging out with Biden and dropped Medicare For All. Anyway, won’t destroy democracy.
I prefer she doesn’t promise shit congress will never pass
I prefer she show support for things she would pass if congress were willing. It doesn’t have to be a promise.
This is why I support Vermin Supreme. Free ponies for everyone!
The distance between you and a Trump supporter is smaller than you realize.
I want Medicare For All and you think I could be a Trump supporter? You’re not as clever as you think, we are nothing alike.
Reading comprehension is hard.
It’s called being realistic about what president can do with their powers. She absolutely should encourage Congress to pass legislation as that is much more permanent and effective than executive orders
Being “realistic” doesn’t mean expecting promises of things that Congress would never approve.
Then I should move to a country with single payer.
Why would I stay here if the United States will never end medical debt? Seems like a bad place to raise a family - especially when Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, etc exist
It is a bad place to raise a family and you should move
Dropped livable wages and a slew of other items
One wants to be a dictator, the other doesn’t. They’re the same! \s
The installed candidate won’t destroy democracy?
Nope. Biden even gave up his chance at a second term as soon as the polls suggested Americans would not re-elect him. The complete opposite of what Trump would do (did) in that situation.
This is all pretty basic stuff really if you’re not a lunatic like Trump.
Polls had zero impact on that decision. It was 100% threats of campaign money stopping from the donor class that made the call.
Yes, it’s true that donors sometimes prefer giving money to candidates who have an actual chance of winning.
Notice how none of these Democrats or donors seem be saying “hmm, why don’t we just steal it again like in 2020 and save our money!”, whereas for Trump stealing tge election seems to be the only thing he ever put actual genuine effort into while in office.
“Installed”? Bro the very idea of a “primary” is pretty rare in the world so yea, the party chose a candidate to represent them in the election. Plus she’s currently the VP and so was, in part, already elected to a very similar job which is a pretty good endorsement.
Also if you voted for the Biden/Harris ticket four years ago, given Biden’s age you were voting for VP to replace him too.
I see a comprehension of U.S. political party operations was not installed in your head.
Straight to ad hom? You must be full of fallacies
I’m not a 5th grade teacher, it’s not my responsibility to explain these concepts. A person making comments about election operations should have a clue about those operations.
Not a Nazi.
Her support for the genocide of Palestinians says otherwise.
Trump will do even worse so yeah she is the better Choice.
I’m thankful that I live in a solid blue state so I dont have to vote for either genocidal candidate.
You do have to vote for a good candidate though …. I challenge you: from one blue state to another, who can get the biggest margin of victory? My state vs yours (assuming we’re different) …60% Harris? 65% Harris? Can we do 70%?
Also in both the best case scenario and the worst case scenario, it’s very helpful to demonstrate the largest popular vote win for Harris. Politicians might turn like a windmill, spin like a whirlpool, but they do pay some attention to votes
I challenge you from one blue state to another, dont vote for any candidate who has pledged support for Netanyahu’s genocide.
The margin that matters is 5%, can a third party break the 5% barrier and get matching national funds? It will be the first step in breaking this evil duopoly and the “lesser of two evils” disaster that is destroying our democracy.
What exactly do you think will happen if Harris is defeated? What evidence do you have for these beliefs?
And yet voting is about more than one issue. Atricities are happening in more than one theater. There’s more to life than one atrocity no matter how big. A US leader occasionally takes time off from running Israel to run US
You’re happy with the outcome but still gotta say you don’t approve of the outcome? Kinda weirder than just voting the better choice, but what do I know I guess.
I’m not happy with the outcome at all, we are going to have another right wing president who explicitly supports genocide. Even though I find Harris to be abhorrent and disgusting, she is obviously the lesser of two evils.
Oh shut up already with your disingenuous arguments, pretending that trump wouldn’t wipe out the Palestinians as he himself claimed multiple times whereas Biden (not kamela) simply hasn’t done enough to stop it because if he’d do so, they could lose the election to Trump
So you’re admitting Biden and Kamala are supporting a genocide for their own political gain…
How can you support such moral bankruptcy? How is this any different from Nazi rhetoric in 1938? What do you think when you see the victims- the desperate, crying, amputated, starving, orphaned children?
Simple!
First you recognize that things are a little more complicated than your over simplified world view, and then you remember that if it’s not them, it’s literally going to be Satan’s spawn who pretty much said he will just kill them all.
You’re against the wall and you have no option. You either vote kamela, or Palestinians are done for.
How can you support such moral bankruptcy? How is this any different from Nazi rhetoric in 1938? What do you think when you see the victims- the desperate, crying, amputated, starving, orphaned children?
You speak as if Trump will save the suffering children, why would you think that? And if Kamala doesn’t win, we get Trump, not peaceful utopia.
Politics is a horrible game that must be played. Our election has not here presented us with a choice between genocide and peace. We are presented with a choice between one genocide (she hopefully will work to end) vs many simultaneous genocides including against people like myself.
Kamala Harris coming out as against the genocide right now would guarantee her loss and Trump’s victory. How does that help anyone?
Trump will not end the genocide of the Palestinian people, he will make it worse and go on to start new genocides. Voting for Kamala Harris doesn’t mean you support her every action past and present and all her beliefs, it’s merely a strategic choice we as citizens of a democratic republic can make to do what little we can to guide our government in the right direction.
Trump has said he will be very harsh and imprison protesters, if you want to end the genocide of the Palestinian people, how effective will you be from a prison cell?
USian police = Nazi
This endorsement will not be controversial to Trump’s antagonists. Nor will it matter to his supporters. But to the voters who don’t much care for either candidate, and who will decide the country’s fate, it is not enough to list Harris’s strengths or write a bill of obvious particulars against Trump. The main reason for those ambivalent Americans to vote for Harris has little to do with policy or partisanship. It’s this: Electing her and defeating him is the only way to release us from the political nightmare in which we’re trapped and bring us to the next phase of the American experiment.
Trump isn’t solely responsible for this age of poisonous rhetoric, hateful name-calling, conspiracies and lies, divided families and communities, cowardly leaders and deluded followers—but as long as Trump still sits atop the Republican Party, it will not end. His power depends on lowering the country into a feverish state of fear and rage where Americans turn on one another. For the millions of alienated and politically homeless voters who despise what the country has become and believe it can do better, sending Trump into retirement is the necessary first step.
If you’re a conservative who can’t abide Harris’s tax and immigration policies, but who is also offended by the rottenness of the Republican Party, only Trump’s final defeat will allow your party to return to health—then you’ll be free to oppose President Harris wholeheartedly. Like you, we wish for the return of the Republican Party of Ronald Reagan, Bob Dole, John McCain, and Mitt Romney, a party animated by actual ideas. We believe that American politics are healthiest when vibrant conservative and liberal parties fight it out on matters of policy.
If you’re a progressive who thinks the Democratic Party is a tool of corporate America, talk to someone who still can’t forgive themselves for voting for Ralph Nader in 2000—then ask yourself which candidate, Harris or Trump, would give you any leverage to push for policies you care about.
And if you’re one of the many Americans who can’t stand politics and just want to opt out, remember that under democracy, inaction is also an action; that no one ever has clean hands; and that, as our 1860 editorial said, “nothing can absolve us from doing our best to look at all public questions as citizens, and therefore in some sort as administrators and rulers.” In other words, voting is a right that makes you responsible.
Trump is the sphinx who stands in the way of America entering a more hopeful future. In Greek mythology, the sphinx killed every traveler who failed to answer her riddle, until Oedipus finally solved it, causing the monster’s demise. The answer to Trump lies in every American’s hands. Then he needs only to go away.
If you’re a progressive who thinks the Democratic Party is a tool of corporate America, talk to someone who still can’t forgive themselves for voting for Ralph Nader in 2000—then ask yourself which candidate, Harris or Trump, would give you any leverage to push for policies you care about.
This is contradicted by this:
Like you, we wish for the return of the Republican Party of Ronald Reagan, Bob Dole, John McCain, and Mitt Romney, a party animated by actual ideas. We believe that American politics are healthiest when vibrant conservative and liberal parties fight it out on matters of policy.
I don’t want a return to party of Bush. I want the American people to have the highest standard of living in the world - not the people of Denmark, Norway, and Sweden.
If you’re saying that Kamala will restore the GOP, then it seems that the American people will never be prioritized. In which case, we should all leave and emigrate to Scandinavia where their people are treated like human beings rather than servants
Like you, we wish for the return of the Republican Party of Ronald Reagan, Bob Dole, John McCain, and Mitt Romney, a party animated by actual ideas.
Emphasis mine. They’re pining for the party of Bush because it was grounded in truth and ideas.
If you’re saying that Kamala will restore the GOP, then it seems that the American people will never be prioritized. In which case, we should all leave and emigrate to Scandinavia where their people are treated like human beings rather than servants
How on Earth did you get that from this endorsement? In fact, they said exactly the opposite:
only Trump’s final defeat will allow your party to return to health
That whole paragraph is prefaced with “If you’re a conservative who can’t abide Harris’s tax and immigration policies”. They’re not talking to you, they’re addressing conflicted conservatives.
You really should have read it more carefully.
They’re pining for the party of Bush because it was grounded in truth and ideas.
It was WHAT!?
Don’t shoot the messenger. Damn y’all need to learn how to read the fucking article.
Bush lied about Iraq having WMDs and oversaw the patriot act, Guantanamo Bay waterboarding, and Abu Ghraib. He stole the election in 2000 in Bush v Gore. He was a fascist and damaged the US worse than Trump
If the US won’t ever have single payer then we should emigrate to Denmark. Why would I want to live here?
What the hell are you talking about? Did you even read the endorsement? It doesn’t even mention Bush.
What was McCains stance on all of the above?
Pining for the party of Bush is pining for evil and diminished living standards
None of that has anything to do with Kamala Harris. Again, what the hell are you talking about? That paragraph is addressing CONSERVATIVES.
You’re saying Kamala will help restore the GOP to the party of Bush and McCain. That is a terrible thing to admit. The neoconservatives are monsters who harmed the country, to say nothing of the innocents abroad who were tortured and murdered
The poster above you didn’t put the entire article. Their post was merely the snippet from the end of it.
Earlier on, the article stated:
The Atlantic is a heterodox place, staffed by freethinkers, and for some of us, Kamala Harris’s policy views are too centrist, while for others they’re too liberal.
In other words, this endorsement is the decision of more than one person. It isn’t contradictory for different people to want different things. The whole point was that multiple people have found multiple reasons to come to the same conclusion.
But the article isn’t behind a paywall, and the link is right there. In the search to make sense of an extracted quote, the original source is a good place to start.
How does that help? If it’s plausible that she’ll restore the GOP then that’s very bad
she’s not a raging lunatic who sundowns at every rally?
There is only one sane choice. People who abstain are choosing insanity the same way that those who abstained in 2016 allowed insanity to prevail.
Having said that, I think voters would be pretty excited to get out and support a candidate that they had actually chosen in the primaries after seeing them go through some campaigning and debates. None of us chose Kamala, and Biden’s late dropout was not ideal. I am hoping that America can have this opportunity back in the next election.
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