• @Cryophilia
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    12 hours ago

    They were going for a political victory, hence the attempted invasion of Pennsylvania. They were trying to make the Union say “not worth it”.

  • @yesman
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    56 hours ago

    A friend once told me that the South could never have won due to the industrial superiority of the North. I said that sounds like wisdom in English, but it’s a joke in Vietnamese.

    • @shalafi
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      13 hours ago

      Having your industrial might a few hundred miles north of the enemy is a far cry from being on the other side of the planet.

      (Still a good joke!)

    • @PugJesusOPM
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      55 hours ago

      I mean, they’re right, industrial superiority just also requires the will to keep the war going for as long as necessary, and with whatever casualties necessary. For “Shitty war that violates another country for reasons we ourselves aren’t entirely clear on”, the will is generally lacking; for “A third of our country was just taken by traitors because they decided they only like democracy when they win”, there’s generally plenty of will.

      • @Cryophilia
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        12 hours ago

        Except there actually wasn’t. People don’t like killing their literal own family. Civil war sucks even worse than normal war.

  • @TwoBeeSan
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    1610 hours ago

    WE STILL HAVE ROWING CONTESTS IN COLLEGES. WE’RE FIGHTING WITH A HAND BEHIND OUR BACK YOU FOOL

    you don’t even have shoes

  • @ThePyroPython
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    912 hours ago

    The plan should have never been to win militarily: the traitors might have had a chance of independence if the Union forces had sustained publicly unacceptable losses and political pressure forced them into a ceasefire.

    If the traitors wanted to win they should have fought it like a guerilla insurrection.

    • @Cryophilia
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      12 hours ago

      That WAS the plan, and they actually did ok at it.

      That plus trying to convince Europe to come to their aid.

    • @Rolando
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      67 hours ago

      I think they were in fact hoping for political pressure - of the international kind. As I recall, the rebels had envoys in England and France who were trying to get those countries to pressure the US to let the south secede. But that task would be much harder if the rebels were conducting a guerilla insurrection, as opposed to trying to set up a government and army. Appealing to foreign powers not that crazy of an idea; a large part of how the US gained independence was that the French were persuaded to intervene on our behalf.

    • @PugJesusOPM
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      1212 hours ago

      If the traitors wanted to win they should have fought it like a guerilla insurrection.

      Considering the patron saint of this community and the overwhelming war fervor in the Union that manifested over the course of the war, I’m not sure that would have worked out better for them.

      • @ThePyroPython
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        411 hours ago

        Fair point, nothing is certain in war but considering the overwhelming economic and military size the traitors were up against it’s still the most viable option if they did it quick enough, in my armchair general opinion.

        I mean how does one expect to win a war when your primary industry of cotton exports get completely blockaded. And you’re dumb enough to exclude your slaves from fighting when you’re short on man-power.

        The rebellion was a dumb idea from the start and they only had a moon-shot way of essentially calling a draw.

        • @PugJesusOPM
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          811 hours ago

          But by making it into a guerilla war, all the military force the Union has can suddenly be concentrated even more disproportionately, as guerilla forces cannot concentrate in one area safely. All the ports of the South would be immediately lost, effectively, giving the Union a near-100% effective blockade. Appalachia, the best land for guerilla warfare in the Confederacy, was overwhelmingly pro-Union. Failing to defend their territory would mean the Union would have full access to all of the traitors’ slaves, which is the exact thing they were trying to avoid. And guerilla warfare is significantly more difficult without widespread fast-firing small arms.

          Even nomadic Native American nations of the period who were quite experienced in that form of warfare struggled to inflict serious casualties on even small punitive forces of the US Army, and against genocidal settler militias, because guerilla warfare is really a last-resort sort of thing for organized states. It isn’t a ‘best option’ in 99.99% of cases so much as a ‘Hail Mary’ when everything else has failed. Effectively surrendering the vast majority of your industrial, demographic, financial, and organizational strength to buy time is just not a good trade in most cases unless you think someone is coming to bail you out, WW2 style.