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Every conference/tech showcase is carefully staged to maximize investments.
Well, often times not Tesla.
Is the future just having a human slave in a third world country strap into VR and carry your groceries for you?
That’s basically what happens right now. Remember Amazon’s smart grocery store? It was just people in India watching cameras. Computer vision wasn’t capable of it.
That’s not true at all. I personally know a person who worked on that technology.
Human beings got involved only when necessary. Do you really think Amazon wants to pay humans to be cashiers?
Do you really think Amazon wants to pay humans to be cashiers?
No but if they spend a bunch of money and time designing it, spend a bunch of time and money retrofitting stores, and then a bunch of time and money marketing it and the technology doesn’t actually work when it’s ‘showtime,’ I can easily see a company with deep pockets like Amazon faking it all by hiring dirt cheap labor to make it seem like it works rather than the alternative.
But the technology does actually work.
You don’t come up with an idea, announce it to the world, and then start figuring out how to implement it.
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I’m pretty sure this story was blown out of proportion and exaggerated. These people were training and validating the automated systems not watching the cameras 24/7.
That’s how AI is trained, manual intervention. It wasn’t working as well as they hoped, but it wasn’t humans watching cameras in real time.
https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/17/24133029/amazon-just-walk-out-cashierless-ai-india
It sounds like the best way to bootstrap a machine learning system. You generate the data the system will be seeing in production along with the proper labels. Then in a later stage you can start doing reinforcement learning.
The problem is the lying about it.
Makes me wonder how much of Tesla’s “Full Self Driving” is just some dude playing GTA VR with you in the passenger seat.
If it was actually that it would work better…
Have you seen humans drive? Now imagine them driving with significant visual and steering input latency, distorted wide angle cameras, and the lack of steering and acceleration feedback. Unless they are used to sim racing, I bet most people would drive worse than Tesla’s FSD if done remotely.
Well, I think the self driving taxis across the us apparently need human interaction every 6 minutes on average… So are they self driving? I don’t know.
We can’t use our phones and drive, but someone can have a screen and drive 6 cars at the same time…
That would probably be better than waymo
Similar to the company who just dressed up models as robots for their presentation
I feel that almost certainly that is where Musk got the idea from, it worked for them, etc!
We live in a fucking nightmare. Rich assholes wining and dining with robots while most of the world fucking suffers. It’s actually crazy. We are bringing into our reality what was just a bad dream like 50 years ago. This is just wild man.
All those sci-fi novels were meant as warnings not instruction manuals
Whaaaat? A company whose market valuation is almost entirely built on a perpetual lie about automation they are delivering “someday” lied about their ability to deliver automation??
I am shocked, I tell you. Shocked.
You remember the first time Musk talked about robotaxis? He never delivered. This robotaxi is another vaporware
Yeah, Tesla made this claim about the model X being full self driving in 5 years and being able to become an autonomous taxi while you weren’t using it. Still waiting on that one…
Elon Musk loves a fake presentation.
Turk in a box you say? I’m shocked! Shocked!
Well, not that shocked.
i’m expecting the first million optimus robots will be remote controlled by armies of ‘trainers’ and elon will claim the ai will use the footage to train itself to do everything later, but we need a trillion+ dollars of compute to achieve that, but the software and hardware required are simply not possible at any budget anytime soon. maybe its good enough to have mass remote slavery for some.
The people apologizing for this sort of behavior, even here, just shows how easy it is to manipulate people.
Question - assuming they are human controlled, how do these compare with bots created by competitors like Boston Dynamics?
They don’t. They are not competitors. This is not a product that exists as a real purchasable item. Those little robot dog toys are closer to BD than what Elon has done here.
Maybe there’s a brain in there imported from some poor country.
See: the cyborg soldier subplot of Metal Gear Rising: Revengence
The real reason for the brain implant chips company… brains in jars controlling robots.
I mean if drone pilots are cucking people and blowing them instead of blowing them up, I’ll take that as progress at this point
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He [Elmo] referred to these as “your own personal R2D2 C3-PO,” and that in the long term, these robots would cost less than a car – specifically, ~$20k-$30k. A video also described them as an “autonomous assistant, humanoid friend” which could be used for basically any task you can think of.
Perhaps don’t market things as something they’re not?
Imagine paying 30k$ so that some guy in India gives you regular handjobs 🤦
Now imagine that’s your job 🤦
They’re not marketing them as something they’re not. They’re marketing them as something they will be…
I mean that’s probably false also, but my point stands.
It’s incredibly misleading to just omit the fact that they’re remote controlled but misleading is very on-brand for Tesla.
https://youtu.be/Q1QPXyebhiY?t=505
So what’s our timeline here?
Not long! It will probably happen in our lifetimes. We just need to figure out… how to make it work
They’re marketing them as something they will be…
That is false advertising—which is illegal.
LOL WTF? You think product concepts are illegal? 🤣
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You’re pretending as if he’s just honest and this is just the most reasonable ways of doing things.
You’re completely ignoring the intentional misrepresentation of the capabilities of the technology. The main point of the robots is to be autonomous, which they’re not.
It’s like if I were making some waterproof product and then made a huge presentation in which I have to avoiding getting any water on the product, while pretending they’re immersed in water.
In this instance he is marketing what the final product is meant to do
He’s been doing that with full self driving for the last decade and the event showed it might be a decade more. It doesn’t give much confidence.
Is Tesla selling their fully autonomous driving cars yet?
A promise from Melon means nothing.
Which is lying. Miss selling conceptually in the UK. It would be illegal.
shouldn’t market them as fully developed humanoid assistants, then.
