“The last thing I would do is trust a computer program,” says the owner of a car company developing self driving & rocket company building automation into rocket launches.
not to mention brain chips. Remember, every accusation is a confession with the MAGA crowd. I bet we’d find a few gems in the code for tesla and twitter now
Software that killed a pedestrian recently.
That’s why you’re supposed to have paper backups. And you audit things.
Edit: I think you could even get a real time audit and still be electronic with backups
- You go to machine and vote
- It prints off a copy of what you voted and records it (this is the primary vote count)
- You verify the paper ballot print off and take it to a second area to be recorded and kept for audits.
- Put ballot in second machine which validates and counts the vote and externally shows a counter increase on the machine for votes counted (not who) so you also know this machine counted it for a total.
So now you have the proper vote tallies from 1. The audit of the correct amount of total records from 4. If there’s any cause for concern or for auditing, you can manually count the paper ballots.
Well, actually that’s correct, which is why there are various approaches to make it possible to trust an output of a computer program, verify it against that of other such computer programs, and so on.
But in my opinion the whole idea of voting sucks. It’s less democratic than sortition. With sortition minority positions are disadvantaged, but with most systems involving vote they are absolutely trumped (pun intended, though saying “harrised” would not be as far as I’d like).
Republics which used sortition have historically existed for very long spans of time. In Antiquity, in Middle Ages, during Renaissance. It’s harder to cheat with. Which also means it’s harder to sow distrust in.
And, well, humans are superstitious creatures and results of sortition are much more similar to how they see divine will.
Sortition is also more honest, it doesn’t abuse the human instinct of allowing politicians more than their rightful mandate when elected by a majority vote. When the reason a person holds some position is because a of a lucky die, the society looks at them more critically and they themselves know they won’t enter that river for a second time.
What are you talking about?
Picking a random person. If looking up a word is too hard
To be fair, I wouldn’t trust a computer program for voting either, but I would trust and ride in an autonomously landing rocket.
Which is why I much prefer the scantron type fill in the bubble ballots, you get a full digital count with an easily cross referenced ballot.
So you fully trust computers that can kill you and others without a thought, but you don’t trust a computer to do the insanely simpler task of “count paper?”
Also, musk and all the other disingenuous shitheads are complaining about any digital counting, including your preferred scantron ballots. They want very slow, flaw ridden human counting only, so they can inject chaos and noise into the electorial system and force the “congress picks the president” process in our constitution that will always favor the GOP.
Paper ballots are already used in 98% of all US elections, they are just counted digitally. These are not serious people with serious concerns.
A computer that lands a rocket incorrectly is found out immediately.
A computer that tallies votes incorrectly may never be found out.
You do know that the electronic vote counts are audited, right?
There’s a process to validate that the machines are counting correctly.
Yes, it’s called a paper copy of the vote cast. The problem isn’t technical, it’s a trust issue.
You can’t trust an entirely digital process for voting, because either it’s not independently auditable, or it’s not anonymous. Our current system of vote counting requires an independent group of people counting a subset of the ballots in order to ensure the voting was done fairly. You can’t do that if the process is entirely digital.
The people in this thread aren’t just jumping on a Musk bandwagon, the dude is a moron and he is trying to sow doubt in the process.
I myself support the current scantron style system that we use in our local election offices here. You get the instant electronic counters, and you get a paper ballot that can audit that the electronic counters did their job correctly. There are many other ways to have a perfectly valid system, but this one is extremely robust against any sort of tampering.
Of all the hot takes I’ve read on the internet today, this is one of them.
Didn’t Dominion already win at least one defamation lawsuit because some jackass was spewing these lies? Gonna love seeing Elmo have to pay up, just a shame it won’t cost him enough to make him shut the fuck up.
Cost Tucker Carlson his job.
that’s ok, he works for putin now
Now?
Well I guess on paper now
Expecting the Mitch Hedberg follow-up here.
Fox News settled for $787 million.
I would love to see Musk go down like that.
He could, sadly, do that a few dozen times and still be ok.
We need to eat the rich.
Well having to find that much liquidity that fast can be a problem even for someone as rich as Musk, no?
If I own musk stock I would consider selling before he dumps $1B worth of stock on the market, and try to pick it up again cheaply. I can see it wipe out massive market cap from his companies…
I don’t know, if they manage to get a judgment against him for a couple billion dollars, that’s like 10% of his worth after he tanked Twitter.
Yeah but at that value its still going to hurt.
Especially if he keeps doing it.
Friendly reminder that an Immigrant African American Welfare Queen, with numerous baby mommas and children he don’t even talk to, is a foreign actor attempting to sway American Elections by spreading fake news. Truly the enemy within that needs to be addressed, there is a reason he travels with as many as 20 bodyguards just to touch grass Source.
- Children that won’t talk to him.
He has one child who rarely talks to him. The others are in communication.
“The probability that a homicidal maniac will try to kill you is proportionate to how many homicidal maniacs hear your name,” he said. “So they hear my name a lot — I’m like, ‘OK, I’m on the list,’ you know.”
this makes it sound like high profile assassinations are caused by a bunch of “maniacs” pulling names out of hats
He watched the documentaries about The Jerk and The Terminator.
Considering the first attempt on Trump’s life, and I hate to admit it, but he’s not that far off. I can’t tell you how large of a quantity it is, but trump sure riled up a bunch of mentally ill people who may or may not have a good grasp of their mental stability.
If the assassins weren’t deranged, they would choose their targets better. If you want to effect political change through assassination, you don’t target the puppet. You target the person controlling the puppet.
You’re describing professional hits like governments do. Our shootings in this country are 99.9% by crazy lone gunmen.
hE wAs JuSt StAnDiNg HiS GrOuNd!!
Exactly. That’s why I said, “If the assassins weren’t deranged…”
Wtf bro. Did you expect them to read every word you wrote, that could take hours. What is this, nazi Germany?
Ohh please let this be actionable a la Fox News
Sounds like dominion should sue musk too
They’ve been very effective at it. I wonder if that’s becoming a good revenue stream.
“The last thing I would do is trust a computer program”
What a weird thing to say from someone that sells a car he says will eventually drive itself.
It’s like nobody is even trying to kill him.
It should be fully legal to kill billionaires
At some point of extreme wealth, you get declared a dragon and it should be perfectly fine to organize adventuring parties to attempt to slay you.
I saw a comment a while ago where someone calculated the equivalent wealth of fictional dragons (e.g. by estimating the dimensions of Smaug’s vast gold trove in The Hobbit) and determined that real billionaires are far worse hoarders of money. Like 1000x worse.
I should try to find that comment again.
Okay but if I fond a magic ring that turns me invisible im fucking keeping it, its mines mines precious!
Ah . . maybe I’d better hold onto that . . .
No! Rabbit season!
Duck season.
No! Rabbit season!
Rabbit season.
No? Duck season!
Ok. |Blam!|
Um, that’s fucked up. I hate billionaires as much as the next person, and Elon is absolutely a terrible and dangerous asshole, but it’s fucked up to say you’d like someone took murder him.
That being said, I’d love to him bankrupt and in jail.
Whoosh. OP was using Musk’s own words against him.
Ah. Well, then… Fuck me.
When and where?
Target of opportunity. Scan your lanes. Range is hot.
Okay Steel Rain hears you, and we love your enthusiasm, but I think that’s going to be a bad day for everybody. How copy?
You know what, nevermind, firing for effect.
Eventually, in the heinie.
I have returned to witness your humbling, you are forgiven.
You are right though, Elon is fucked up. Fucked right up.
I have appreciated Lemmy’s gentleness… Sorry for misconstruing your reference.
Man, my reception was NOT gentle, consider yourself lucky haha.
Also, he deserves to be murdered, so.
Imagine Magoos if Jack Dorsey was campaigning for Obama or Biden back when he owned Twitter… They would be absolutely losing their shit. Fox news would be running stories 24/7 about it and biased media influence…
They piss me off to no end. Hypocrite, thy name is MAGA.
Trump went on Fox News to talk about how he’s going to ask Murdoch to not run any negative ads till the election. 🤮
Imagine Magoos if Jack Dorsey was campaigning for Obama or Biden back when he owned Twitter…
and then stole a @handle to promote them as well.
Sue him for 99.5% of his net worth that should shut this cunt up
101%
He’ll just pull himself up by the boot straps and billionaire work ethic
102%
Why would they want all his debt?
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Hey look! The people who are cheating our election system are warning us about cheaters in our election!
My man loves a lawsuit. Can’t climax without one.
Bankrupt his ass
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