just wondering

  • @Moops
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    291 month ago

    I personally do not, but I think it’s a personal decision. I have a background in working for homeless non-profits. If you have a desire to really help and be part of moving towards a solution, find a local group and donate and/or volunteer with them.

    The reality of handing money to someone is at best it’s a band-aid, and more often you’re just buying that night’s substance of choice. No judgement there, if I was homeless and likely not receiving needed medical and mental health treatment, I’d be high and drunk as often as I could too. Hell, I’m high as often as I can be now. Nevertheless though, I feel comfortable choosing not to participate by handing money when asked and I don’t begrudge anyone who does.

    • Pup Biru
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      21 month ago

      exactly how i do it, and i make sure 50% of my professional life i’m sacrificing income to work for not for profits. i want my donation to be the most effective it can be, and making sure that people have roofs over their head isn’t going to happen with my spare change

  • @[email protected]
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    Yes, if you have the means.

    I work with a mutual aid group that engages in street outreach. I experience a lot of different cases and pretty much all of them would be benefitted by having more money.

    Some people have a job, but not a home, and are trying to get housed

    Some people have a home, but not a job and are trying to stay housed

    Some people have neither and are trying to stay alive

    Some people have both, but are so underpaid for the area they are in and are trying to stay housed

    Some people are migrants and it is 100% illegal for them to work in the US and their only source of aid is through asking the community

    Not one of them enjoys the situation they are in nor has made an explicit choice to be or stay homeless.

    A lot of people who panhandle stay in encampments. These provide a small community with a lot of support structures for those there. There’s often someone who knows how to cook anything with any source of heat, someone who knows how to treat wounds, someone who knows what each person in the camp needs, and someone who’s plugged into the broader community and can get things for those who can’t (not all food pantries or lines are accommodating for wheelchair users and those with mobility issues can have trouble waiting for hours for food or even getting there). My point being that even if your contribution doesn’t help the person asking directly, it likely helps someone they know.

    And if you’re worried about the whole “they’ll just spend it on drugs” thing, I honestly wouldn’t. Among the people I work with maybe 1/3 of them use drugs and very very few use anything other than weed. Employed and housed people use weed to unwind, why is it so much more evil if you don’t have a house? And if you’re working with the 2/3 of people that don’t use drugs than it’s not really a concern. I do realize that those numbers might be vastly different in areas that were more harshly hit by opioid issues.

  • @[email protected]
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    261 month ago

    I never give money to the homeless. They’ll just buy drugs and alcohol.

    I keep it for myself. So I can buy drugs and alcohol.

    For real though, I try to give $5 if I can. Some people will waste it, some will make good use of it, and it’s impossible to tell from the outside looking in. So I might as well swing at every ball. Giving to charities is good too, but they don’t reach everyone (for all sorts of reasons).

  • @[email protected]
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    221 month ago

    I think the debate on this issue is blown out of proportion.

    First, giving a small amount of money to someone in need is a very direct and human act of compassion which makes it worthwhile, if you gift someone money it is their prerogative what they do with it and the idea that it is harmful is blown out of proportion.

    Second, giving money to a local charity is also worthwhile, if you don’t feel comfortable for whatever reason.

    The idea that one approach is good and the other is actively bad is at best a distraction and at worst an excuse to do nothing at all

    The fact is that even in Australia, which by world standards has a not bad safety net, it is not possible for most people to get crisis housing and waiting lists for public housing are rarely less than 6 months, welfare payments can be cut off for trivial reasons and public mental health services are overwhelmed. These are the problems that successive governments have refused to tackle.

    If you can make someone’s day with a small gift then please do.

  • @[email protected]
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    Yes of course. And if they go spend it on a pack of chips or coffee from the 7-11, that might be just what they needed to get through the next few hours.

    Only they know what they need right then and there, and I hope we’re past the condescension of people refusing to give money but offering some food item they believe the person would benefit from (because “if I give money they’ll just waste it”).

    Sometimes they might want to talk if you can spare some time too, to break the social exclusion they’re feeling.

    And they might not be appreciative, or they may have a as bad attitude, that’s the way it goes. They’re dispossessed, they’re looked down on, and they could be sleeping on the side of the road on a rainy night wondering how long they’ve got left. They may have lost families. They may not have it in them to say “thanks mate”.

    • @Stovetop
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      41 month ago

      It’s not so much people being worried about wasting it, as much as they’re worried about paying someone to continue fueling spirals of addiction. People can be homeless due to any number of different factors, so I hate to assume someone’s circumstances, but it’s impossible to know when giving cash is helping or making things worse.

      My place of work is a nonprofit that coordinates with a variety of local social services, so I donate to those causes each year instead and help others connect to the resources they offer when I can.

    • @[email protected]
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      11 month ago

      people refusing to give money but offering some food item

      Dude doesn’t need to accept it.

      the condescension of

      Hmm. Don’t be a dick, okay?

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    171 month ago

    Yes, it’s better to give it directly to the people who need it, when they need it, instead of them having to rely on a third party for help. Donate to organizations that won’t pocket most of the money, but if you have a chance to give it directly to someone, I think that’s better.

  • @TootSweet
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    121 month ago

    I keep some cash in my pocket specifically in case I run across someone asking for money.

    And then I live like a hermit, almost never going anywhere, so it’s rare that I actually have occasion to give in that way, but you know.

    Also, in my experience, it’s not necessarily homeless people who need the money. I’ve seen people (claiming they’re) close to losing their housing who are hoping to raise enough money panhandling to make their rent this month.

    Of course, if you are struggling financially, it’s definitely very reasonable to decline to give in that context. I suppose if anything feels “off” as well. (Though I wouldn’t want to bias folks in the direction of thinking that there may be any reason to be more suspicious of people in need than others.) But over all, I do think it’s something that can make a hugely, vitally positive change in someone’s basic wellbeing.

  • 🐋 Color 🍁 ♀
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    111 month ago

    If you want to, yes. When I see them I try and buy them some food. I also give to the local charities which support them.

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    The important act is giving. If you think a dude on the side of the road needs $20 and you’ve got it to spare, there’s no downside to doing that. They may not use it how you like them to, but they will use it how they best can. Sometimes that’s food, sometimes that’s drugs, to keep them from actively offing themselves.

    If you think a charity has a decent track record and can better use those funds to serve more people, donate it there. They’ll use it how they beat see fit, whether that’s food, shelter or enforcement of policies. It may not be how you want it used, but that’s okay.

    Ultimately, give what you can, however you can. Once you’ve given the money, you can’t determine how it’s used, so be okay with your act of charity simply existing by itself, not in comparison to another hypothetical “best” act of charity.

  • originalucifer
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    111 month ago

    the biggest failure that happens when we give resources directly to homeless people is not also providing the support systems that prevent the relapse in the first place. we dont provide for social services that give them regular human contact that has been proven to lower drug and alcohol addiction issues.

    ‘non-profits’… charities… are just not enough to provide these services, it needs to be a systemic, over-arching process and not the one-off solutions those ‘non profit’ agencies provide.

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  • @[email protected]
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    101 month ago

    I don’t give money to panhandlers because I don’t like being solicited. (Also why I don’t buy things at my door, or via telemarketing) however I do support the idea of programs distributing funds directly to those in need.

  • @[email protected]
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    101 month ago

    I do. I get the “but they’re just gonna buy drugs!” thing, let’s be honest: I was gonna spend it on that, anyways.

    If a 40 is what they need, right now, to numb the pain of existence, in this moment, why not?

  • u/lukmly013 💾 (lemmy.sdf.org)
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    81 month ago

    My opinion is no. They can then use it to buy drugs or alcohol, which is unfortunately likely.

    Maybe you could donate to some homeless shelter?
    Or maybe, you could try asking if you could buy them some food instead.

    • @[email protected]
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      91 month ago

      Housed people buy drugs and alcohol. Unhoused people buy drugs and alcohol.

      Why is it so much more evil for the latter?

          • @[email protected]
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            That’s cool! I’m willing to bet that’s outside of the norm for most folks. If y’all want to prove me wrong I’ll happily provide a venmo ;)

        • @[email protected]
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          61 month ago

          You sit outside on a cold street with just a blanket at 3am when your life has fucking disintegrated and tell me alcohol and drugs are pointless, you daftie

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            I didn’t say that doing drugs is pointless. Assisting homeless people buying drugs IS, because it does the opposite of helping to get out of that situation, which is the point.

    • @[email protected]
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      11 month ago

      Who are you to decide what they’re allowed to buy? You’d rather have someone go hungry on the off chance they might buy something you don’t agree with?

      • molave
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        61 month ago

        It’s ultimately an assessment done in a case by case basis. Another example: will you give money to a relative who will use it for gambling? Helping someone turn around their life and enabling their habits are different things.

      • @Lifecoach5000
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        51 month ago

        Buying them some food I think is the compromise here.

      • @lemming741
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        41 month ago

        Who am I to decide what my money is spent on?

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          21 month ago

          Giving another person money usually implies the transfer of ownership of that money to that other person, unless otherwise specified.

          • @lemming741
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            21 month ago

            I think people have the right to do that conditionally

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              Sure. And depending on the circumstances the conditions might not make you look like a very nice person. Which you are of course free to ignore.

          • @[email protected]
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            31 month ago

            That’s the point of the original comment and you are bullshitting “how dare you decide what they buy!”. They own the money and they decide that they won’t spend money to improve a homeless person life if it won’t improve it.

            • @[email protected]
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              31 month ago

              The point is to help this person temporarily alleviate a problem they have, whatever that problem may be. If you don’t want to do this, fine, but if you’re only willing to give money if they use that money in ways that you deem wholesome, that’s patronising.

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                help this person temporarily alleviate a problem they have

                And you mean drinking fucking alcohol lmao. Yeah it’s gonna made them feel better for a minute, sure, lol. And fuck them up even worse after that. It’s like giving drugs to drug addicts, wtf.

                in ways that you deem wholesome, that’s patronising.

                No onre said “wholesome”. If so, trying to help honeless people is “patronozing” then generally. Goverment is “partonizing”. Organizations that want to help them are “patronizing”.

                People on lemmy are SO deranged.

                • @[email protected]
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                  11 month ago

                  The problem is that you are convinced they’re going to buy drugs. You do not know that person, it is not your place to decide that.

                  No, I do not agree that simply offering help is patronising.

    • @venusaur
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      wtf?!? Is this Lemmy?? How did this comment get more likes than dislikes? I’m gonna post the same thing and see what happens.