And that’s the difference between classical conditioning (the dogs being trained to sensory input by Pavlov) and operant conditioning (Pavlov training himself through his own behavior).
Also good example of “closed systems” not existing outside of theory.
I really wish this aspect was considered more often in pop sci discussions.
While it’s certainly possible that Pavlov ended up ‘doing’ operant conditioning on himself, I think something different is going on here. I think Pavlov is a victim of humanity’s language capabilities: we do not only link concepts on one direction (dogs -> bell) but do so bidirectionally (dogs <-> bell). There is a whole line of research that goes into how associations (which are the ones in classical and operant conditioning) are not the same as relations (which are the ones that we humans are proficient at, blessed with, and cursed with).
If I’m not mistaken, operant conditioning takes place either through reinforcement or punishment. How does that play in here?
both are classical
Wow that was a interesting wiki hole that lead me up to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_(psychology)
yep that’s the principle behind exposure therapy, particularly as a treatment for OCD and PTSD
And when hearing or reading pavlov we think about the guy, dogs, the bell and feeding.
I think of a telephone first. See my other comment.
See I think of Barenaked Ladies. Maybe you’re too young to know the song.
Funny…I think of Aimee Mann!
Love this song!
It’s on the Buffy the Vampire Slayer soundtrack “Radio Sunnydale”, and the song before it is Blue by Angie Hart. So these two songs are linked in my head, and every time I listen to one, I immediately have to listen to the other. How’s that for a Pavlovian response? ;)
Hehehe… I know them alright…
I was such a giant fan in the 90s. I even got interviewed by Entertainment Weekly because I ran a Geocities page for them.
Damn that’s impressive. I mean I have no clue what Geocities is (and google didn’t give me anything) but still very cool. I was a kid in the 90s so I only found out about the band in the late 2000s but they’re great.
I have no clue what Geocities is
Pardon me while my bones crumble to dust
Geocities was a website where you could host your own website devoted to whatever you liked. It would be called barenakedladies.geocities.com or whatever name you picked. The pages tended to look awful, because we didn’t know how to code them, and they had this sort of drag and drop template thing. Mine actually didn’t look half bad though, but they tended to look like this:
Anyway the band is amazing. Steven Page’s solo work is actually really incredibly good.
In college, my friend named his dorm phone Pavlov because it had to be answered when it rang.
neurons that fire together wire together.
Alright it’s been about ten years. Can we please go back to just saying shit, without all the extra shit?
Like in this case could the meme just be:
Pavlov probably thought about feeding his dogs anytime someone rang a bell.
Why’s everything gotta be a story about one time somebody said X and it changed me into a newt or whatever horseshit people need to encapsulate their idea with?
why is this shocking?
Probably not, given that he tortured those dogs.
what did he do?
There’s a short summary in this article:
IFL Science: Pavlov’s Dog Experiment Was Much More Disturbing Than You ThinkI’m not certain on the accuracy of everything it’s saying, but other sources at least seem to agree he was originally studying digestion, and cut holes in the dogs’ throats so the food would fall out when they ate.
From memory he did throw them into boiling water.
My first time hearing that
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Advocating here to stop posting screenshots of Tweets. We can all do better and there are loads of other sources for content.
Ok, this is old though.
