The bottom fox should look the same as the top fox. After they’ve believed it for decades, their ego is on the line. They will argue that the evidence is bad, or it was always obvious, or that it’s overblown.
bottom fox
Poor choice of words.
Phrasing, Lana!
It’s never a question of how evil they’re capable of being, but how competent.
Plenty of conspiracy theories don’t work because they’d require hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of people to completely shut up.
Yeah. MK Ultra tracked, faking the moon landing didn’t.
I feel like Conspiracy theories are at least partially the result of a lack of regulation and oversight for governing bodies and corporate entities.
For example… the atomic energy commission approved experimenting on disabled children by feeding radioactive oats to them.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/spoonful-sugar-helps-radioactive-oatmeal-go-down-180962424/
It’s one of the reasons we have laws like informed consent now.
Everytime we run into something new, like radiation, some company or government branch does some seriously unethical shit with it and new laws and regulations are written.
So it’s like we’re all just waiting to find out what new fucked up thing has happened, and how many corporations are gonna fight any proposed regulations regarding it.
It’s why we should regulate them into the ground, and give them 0 trust. Get rid of lobbying, screw profit, the economic damage from all the scams, suffering, and death in the long-term is more than enough to make any gain in profit meaningless.
And that’s why i say that US law is one of the most reactive.
Its already happening again with meat, dairy, poultry, fish, and alcohol.
Lesser known ones like bath soaps and shampoos, detergents, lotions, gas ovens and heaters are also experiencing this.
how else are we supposed to get data on how radiation effects children? Fukushima? Hiroshima? No, neither of those was controlled and both of thosehad goals like “reducing exposure” and “saving lives” by the local government.
how else are we supposed to get data on how radiation effects children? Fukushima? Hiroshima? No, neither of those was controlled and both of thosehad goals like “reducing exposure” and “saving lives” by the local government.
It’s never that I think they aren’t evil enough, I just don’t trust conspiracies that require too much competency. I think most of them are too dumb and uncoordinated to pull off most of the conspiracies I hear about.
If you’ve ever tried to coordinate more than 50 people to do a thing, you quickly realize why people refer to management and leadership jobs as “herding cats.”
If someone gave me the option of faking the moon landing or going to the moon, I’d gladly strap a submarine to a missile.
It be fucking impossible to coordinate hundreds of people on the world’s biggest secret, then make them and their families abide by media training for half a century.
I think there’s a danger in underestimating a government’s ability to keep a secret especially when they have the power to kill you and your family if you break it. While we shouldn’t overestimate the conspiracies they conduct (i.e. the world isn’t flat, we did land on the moon, vaccines don’t cause autism). I think it’s reasonable to suspect that your government is keeping some important information out of the public eye. Oft for the reason of “national security” aka, it would be embarrassing to us if this leaked.
Unless you’re working on something incredibly important, and you can threaten people with jail time if you tell anyone. The US government kept the SR-71 blackbird secret for about a decade, for example.
True, but also I feel like that’s small potatoes by comparison.
And also I feel like it’s related to the publicity of the thing that is supposedly a conspiracy. with the sr71 nobody even knew to look into it; with the moon landing, people were following the very public demonstrations every step of the way.
Also the difference in wow factor.
Its “we are making an even faster, better and more stealthy plane than all the previous ones we have” vs “we are convincing the entire world that we are leaving our actual planet to fly through space and land on the moon”. One of these is a significantly more juicy secret to impress someone with.
You ever heard of a little trillion dollar operation known as the NSA?
It’s not the size of the organization, it’s the size of the team with a particular piece of information, and the monetary or moral pressure to release a particular piece of information.
Also, the NSA famously has had leakers. The biggest and most notable being Snowden in 2013.
A dozen leakers from a secret police that has employed hundreds of thousands, across decades, is not the example you think it is.
It be fucking impossible to coordinate hundreds of people on the world’s biggest secret, then make them and their families abide by media training for half a century.
Yes you can. The Manhattan Project was the blueprint for this.
“Half a century” is the big challenge in that sentence. The Manhattan project started in 42 and Japan was bombed in 45.
They also had near slips with the press and foreign espionage happening within the project. That would’ve been real tough to keep secret from the public for decades.
The challenges can be overcome with sufficient money. If the secret keepers are convinced they are keeping quiet for the public good then there is very little resistance.
No they mean eventually someone will fuck up, especially, given a long enough period of time. No amount of money can account for occasional clumsiness.
With sufficient compartmentalisation the risk of individual clumsiness can be mitigated.
For a time. The Manhattan project wouldn’t’ve been able to stay secret for 20 years
Yeah, especially the COVID conspiracies are mostly brain dead stuff
The whole world pretty much stopped, which helps absolutely no one, but somehow those guys think, that a dark force is trying to kill the economy for…profit?
Also all the scientists and doctors are together in bed and just want people to stay indoors, because… I have absolutely no clue
It just didn’t make sense from the start.
Although I do get scepticism against new vaccine methods, but when someone tries to “explain” to me, that mRNA somehow overwrites my DNA and I should drink bleach instead…I usually don’t even know where to start to correct them
I mean, if the dark forces were billionaires and you look at their wealth growth explosion since the pandemic…someone could be forgiven for thinking there was a conspiracy there. Means and motive, alongside a sociopathic disregard for the common person…
You should advise them to drink bleach and prove its efficacy. For science.
Buy, when there is blood on street - or something like that was the saying
So obviously, people with money can exploit times, when everyone loses money/has no income and gets desperateBut triggering a global epidemic, would be more than overkill - imho, maybe in the heads of billionaires it makes sense
I agree but a lot of mom and pop shops shut down and of course walmart and all the big names were still operating the whole time. At least here in Canada
We didn’t need COVID for that
Give it a few years and those shops would be dead anyway - sadly
Small towns here tend to build large shopping centers near town border, which just hungers out local businesses
No need for COVID to accomplish that
Edit: and it’s not just about America, but about the whole world.
Wanna tell me, that Walmart planned a coup, just for US centric sellings and the also the rest of the world stood still?Yeah man I know it just sucks to have it happen that fast. My neighbor owned and operated the local bike shop in our town for almost 30 years. You’re right it was gonna close anyway but covid made it happen way quicker and the town is worse off in the end. The bike shop was a HUGE part of this town and now it’s gone. It just is what it is.
Yeah, small town shops dying is really sad
Building large shopping centers and online retailers seem to have killed most small shops in smaller towns around here too…
COVID pretty much was the death nail, as you said
especially the COVID conspiracies
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Lab leak initially labelled as a conspiracy theory.
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Darpa proposal to perform GoF research on coronaviruses.
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Airborne transmission actually true.
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Vaccine doesn’t stop transmission
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Natural Immunity providing superior protection (no science supporting vaccine mandates for recovered patients).
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Event 201 plan followed to the letter.
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Government sponsored censoring of social media
The only one you sourced doesn’t say anything about what you claim. I’m not denying that there are some questions here that need answering but most of this is just bullshit.
Half of those are not even conspiracies, nor even controversial.
“A pharmacist saw several black particles in one vial of the vaccine”
I included that source because people usually deny it happened. All of the others are also true, but I’m not going to spend hours feeding the sealions. As a gesture of good faith I’ll provide a source for one more of your choosing.
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Yeah. Conspiracies feed a need to believe that there’s some easy reason why things are fucked. In reality… things are fucked for a great many reasons, and ‘evil people in power’ is middle of the pack, at best.
The most believable conspiracies are the ones where it’s full of incompetence. Like ZunZuneo
Especially the ones where you would need the complicity and cooperation of thousands of people to pull it off.
Issue being, a large number of conspiracy theories are just utter bonkers (moon nazis theory, etc.), would be really ineffective in practice (chemtrails, etc.), or tries to blame capitalism’s problem on a small number of people within the system (International Jewry, etc.). In fact I kind of have a theory that the more “skizo” stuff was put out to make the real stuff look impallatable for people believing the institutions are serving them.
I know at least some opportunistic far-right people that use conspiracy theories to make their ideology look better, met at least one Holocaust denier that just wanted to whitewash the third reich for newbies until they prove they’re ready for the truth through proof of loyalty, and one denies the CIA’s involvement in toppling the Salvador Allende governance to make Pinochet look even more badass.
Alex Jones amd David Icke are CIA
If they didn’t exist. The CIA would create one. They need lunatics like that to leak documents to if they want the information within to be discreditted.
Pretty sure CIA remote viewing is just trying to explain knowledge gained from bugging devices.
Conspiracies and conspiracy theories are two very different things. The reason people scoff at conspiracy theories is because they are often times wrong and/or vague. How many *verified conspiracies actually started as a ‘conspiracy theory’.
Edit: * added for clarification
Let’s be fair, if I told you that a UFO cult led by a sci-fi writer performed a massive infiltration of the US government (the largest ever detected) in order to whitewash itself in official records you’d have thought I was wacko before Operation: Snow White came to light. The same UFO cult also had a number of their agents insert themselves into the life of a journalist who had written negative things about them in an attempt to get her to either off herself or be institutionalized, dubbed Operation: Freakout which was only uncovered in the aftermath of the discovery of Operation: Snow White.
The UFO cult in question is Scientology.
before snowden is was a conspiracy theory that the government is always listening to you
well there’s a reason for that – feeling like someone is reading your thoughts or that your will is controlled by someone else and so on are common presentations of schizophreniform disorders. they just made it fucking true!
How many verified conspiracies actually started as a ‘conspiracy theory’.
All of them? If you’re questioning the official narrative you’re “just a conspiracy theorist” until proven right
Actually 🤓 they rather start as undiscovered conspiracies until they leak enough to make people suspicious and form a theory
You know, I can’t stand dealing with a conspiracy theorist.
I understand why they’re crazy though.
Tuskegee syphilis experiment. MK Uktra. Snowden leaks. Various governments overthrown by the CIA.
I mean, people are crazy and evil knows no bounds.
That said, I prefer to look for the best in the world. I can understand getting lost in all that crap though. People are fucked up.
With Tuskegee, the conspiratorial claim is often made that the men were deliberately infected. They were “just” not informed of their infected status and discouraged from seeking medical care elsewhere. This meant that they often ended up infecting their families.
I understand Black conspiracy theorists who have elaborate claims about Tuskegee - it was such a monstrous action and violation of trust that it is difficult to balance not minimizing it with being clear about what did/did not happen.
Tuskegee is why I would understand some black people not wanting to trust in the covid-19 vaccine.
No. It’s not a REAL conspiracy until the 4th Estate says so! They are the ones we should trust without question! They have NEVER proven themselves to be just another part of the control system!!
They would kill you and everything you love if it meant they’d get more money. Never forget that.
Corporations would happily use slave labor if that was legal.
Source: The United States prior to 1865
Source: Prison labor.
We still use slave labor, California just voted against abolishing it.
Yeah. Pretty much anywhere slavery is legal will use slaves. Our system rewards people for destroying society.
Who is “they”?
Oligarchs.
That ain’t a conspiracy, though. They’re operating in the open.
I mean, they aren’t all out in the open. There’s famous ones in the media all the time that we know about. But my conspiracy theory is that there’s a lot more that we don’t.
I get why memes like this are popular—they’re funny and make you think. But honestly, I think they can be a bit dangerous too. Sure, some conspiracy theories have turned out to be true, but way more often than not, they’re just nonsense.
The problem with stuff like this is that it makes it seem like most conspiracy theories are worth taking seriously, which can lead to some real issues. People start distrusting everything—governments, science, journalists—even when there’s no good reason to. It can also give way too much credibility to wild ideas that just aren’t backed up by facts.
Healthy skepticism is important, but it needs to come with critical thinking. Just saying, “What if it’s true?” doesn’t really help—it just feeds into the chaos. I feel like we need more “let’s look at the evidence” and less “trust no one.”
But “look at the evidence” IS “trust noone”. Neither science nor journalism has been built on “trust me bro”, religion and politics was.
The line of thinking you’re promoting is how dedicated political party fans behave, they distrust anyone who says the party has done something wrong. That’s also the exact mechanism of how child rapes have been and are happening in the catholic church. The good priest may have told little Pete to suck him off, but he’s an authority and why should we trust a kid over him.
I hear where you’re coming from, and I agree that “trust no one” has its place when it comes to questioning authority, especially in systems that have historically abused power, like politics or religion. But I think there’s an important distinction between blind trust and informed trust.
When I say “look at the evidence,” I mean fostering a mindset where we evaluate claims critically, whether they come from an authority figure, a journalist, or a random Redditor. It’s not about blindly trusting anyone—it’s about examining the quality of their evidence and reasoning. Science and journalism, at their best, aren’t about “trust me, bro”; they’re about transparency, peer review, and reproducibility.
I get why you’d connect my point to political party loyalty or abuse cover-ups, but I think that actually supports what I’m saying. Those cases happen when people don’t question authority or demand evidence. Blind loyalty, whether to a priest, a politician, or even a favorite conspiracy theory, is the problem. Critical thinking is what prevents us from falling into that trap.
It’s not “trust no one” in the absolute sense—it’s more like “trust, but verify.” If the evidence holds up, great. If not, we should keep asking questions.
is there a convinient list somewhere of all the times this has happened?
Wikipedia CIA
Theres enough conspiracies that 1 in a million have to be true.
Don’t use the one as evidence of the million.
The McDonald’s ice cream machine conspiracies do truly confirm 9/11 being an inside job.
Okay but there actually was a huge McDonald’s Ice Cream Machine conspiracy that turned out to be true. McDonalds sells the machines made by Taylor Company to the Franchise Owners, then mandates that only Taylor can fix the machines which are needlessly complicated to clean and maintain, and the machines being unreliable was a design flaw known internally the entire time. When a company named Kytch created tools to make fixing them fast and easy: Taylor sued. Then Taylor made their own tool by reverse engineering Kytch’s tool, so Kytch sued Taylor back for $900M USD.
Dude you are preaching to the choir, I’ve been following it at work as some kind of coping mechanism for never getting ice cream lol
Proverbs for Paranoids
- You may never get to touch the Master, but you can tickle his creatures.
- The innocence of the creatures is in inverse proportion to the immorality of the Master.
- If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers.
- You hide, they seek.
- Paranoids are not paranoid because they’re paranoid, but because they keep putting themselves, fucking idiots, deliberately into paranoid situations.
—Thomas Pynchon, Gravity’s Rainbow
People still don’t believe their tax dollars are being spent to hurt them after being shown these documents.
Lol the cooperations
Flashmobs?
Down with Co-ops?
I read a mainstream biography about Aristotle Onassis recently - something that was on the NY Times bestseller list back when it was published in 2004 - and near the beginning it casually comes up that the Secretary of State or head of the CIA (they were brothers at the time) was having an affair with the Queen of Greece. It wasn’t even the point of the chapter. Instead, it was just a element in the US governments behind the scene manipulations as they used private intelligence firms to sink a deal between Onassis and the Saudis to fund their own shipping fleet.
The reason why reality and what people believe about reality diverge so heavily is because reality is based on mathematics while people’s belief about reality is based on their experiences of the past. And past experiences fail to predict things like exponential growth or new theories or developments in technology.
