I was watching an upload by Prompt Engineering on the SmolAgents agentic rag project. In it they talk about the importance of forming questions in the same affirmative voice that the LLM will respond with. My understanding is fuzzy here. Language is not my strongest subject. So maybe ELI5 please. What is “asking questions in an affirmative voice,” and more importantly, what is it in contrast to other forms of voicing?

  • sp3ctr4lEnglish
    19•2 days ago

    ‘Affirmative Voice’ is not really a thing, as far as codified English grammar goes.

    They may mean active voice:

    Active Voice: The soldiers shot the man.

    Passive Voice: The man was injured by the soldiers’s gunfire.

    Or they may mean to simply be affirmative, as in, polite, reassuring, informative, non-confrontational, etc?

    Or, if you take ‘voice’ to be the more technical definition within the realm of phonetics, they could mean that you should be pronouncing consonants and vowels in a manner that they personally find affirmative…?

    Anyone who is telling you to ‘use an affirmative voice’ is ironically being vague and not really demonstrating a great understanding of English themselves.

    It would be less confusing if they said something along the lines of ‘phrase your questions in a non-hostile, affirmative manner.’

    English does not have a formally defined ‘affirmative voice’ the way that it does with ‘active voice’, ‘passive voice’, ‘reflexive voice’, ‘reciprocal voice’, etc.

  • @[email protected]
    2•1 day ago

    Forget “affirmative voice” for a moment, since that seems to be tripping others up as well as you. Prompt Engineering suggest sounding like the LLM, asking questions with “the same voice” as the one the LLM uses to respond. Perhaps PE needs to clarify this with some examples, because calling it “affirmative voice” hasn’t seemed to make it clear enough.

    I suggest asking them, then perhaps sharing what you learn for the benefit of other folks who are similarly confused.

    The only interpretation that comes to my mind is avoiding “not” and “don’t”. Ask for what you want instead of what you don’t want. 🤷 That’s just a guess.

  • Rhynoplaz
    12•2 days ago

    The difference would be “How do you think we can prevent this in the future?” Vs “What the fuck were you thinking?!?”

    Both questions are trying to figure out what went wrong, but one of them is more pleasant.

    • lurch (he/him)
      1•2 days ago

      Honestly, I know what the intention was, but the first makes me feel manipulated and angry right away, as it implies I want to prevent anything and that there is a future. It’s so unnatural and loaded.

      • @BassTurd
        9•2 days ago

        I think this example is used in the context that something preventable happened. You’re more likely to get a better response if asking in the former than the latter.

        • snooggumsEnglish
          2•2 days ago

          The first is problem solving, the second is blaming.

          The first is phrased in a way that is condescending for an adult.

          • @BassTurd
            4•2 days ago

            I didn’t think I agree that it’s condescending. To me it’s just your cause analysis. If I had people reporting to me, and someone fucked up, I would want to know how we’re going to prevent it from happening again. To me it’s just cutting to the chase and problem solving.

            • snooggumsEnglish
              5•2 days ago

              I didn’t think I agree that it’s condescending.

              The context is whether the person asking the question was involved in the process that went wrong and if the person who screwed up should know better. We are probably thinking of different situations, like how ‘bless your heart’ can be positive or negative depending on context.

              If one person screwed up, saying ‘we’ comes across as patronizing because it generally means the person asking knew how to avoid the situation and expected the person who screwed up to know as well. Like if someone didn’t disconnect the power to a thing like they are supposed to because they were in a hurry and shocked themselves, saying ‘what should we do next time’ would be condescending. That would be very different than discovering a new fault in a group process and asking a team (adults) what should be done next time. “We found out that the plan to handle case Y didn’t work, how do you think we can prevent it next time” is not condescending because it is being asked to a group of adults (plural) for something new. “How do you think it can be avoided” would also not be condescending if asked for a single person.

              It sounds nitpicky, but it is really nuance. Saying ‘we’ when the right thing is known is condescending for adults, but makes it easier for children who are learning to not take it so personally.

              • @BassTurd
                3•2 days ago

                I definitely agree, it’s all contextual. I worked in manufacturing for almost a decade which is very much process based. If something went wrong, we needed to know why so that it could be prevented.

                A lot of the work I’ve done has been project based, and I usually think of the people involved as the team. Unless there’s an outlier, the general successes and failures are team wins and losses. These sort of questions obviously aren’t for all situations, but when used properly, it can bring about engagement. Even from critics, at least when given the floor to speak, they may reveal some truths that need addressing.

                I have talked like this to children, which is good for them, but also condescendingly when I’ve felt it was warranted. I like to think in this situation it was a ‘moment to grow’ situation rather than condescension.