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Post was falsely reported as “tabloid” and erroneously removed.
Restored:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-zealand-herald/
High Credibility sources should never be removed.
Hey mate, the original source isn’t the NZ Herald but The Sun. I did a little extra digging for another related post (because the mod got my knickers in a twist) which I’ll copy below. Do with it what you will, I’m rather over hot dogs.
The Sun, a tabloid rag with a history of false reporting, is the only original reporting. The other outlets are parroting them, some without attribution by simply stating “according to reports” like the above linked NZ Herald, or indirectly by attributing to a report which attributes it to another and so on, until it ultimately gets back to The Sun, like in this India Times article.
NYT: “Dictator Kim Jong Un has declared that serving the sausage was an act of treason, The Sun reports…”
Vice: “One thing to keep in mind about this report is that you have to take it with a grain of salt. It originates from The Sun, a tabloid that doesn’t have a ton of credibility.” -Emphasis mine because it’s funny-
The Mirror: . “One vendor, who is based in the northern province of Ryanggang, stressed that authorities have been monitoring them closely. The vendor told The Sun…”
The Sun is definitely a rag, but I don’t see anything here pointing to the Sun as a source. The only other source listed is Radio Free Asia (RFA).
The three quoted and linked articles directly state The Sun is the source of this information. Each relevant statement is in the quoted text I included in the comment, which can be verified at each link. The Vice article not only states The Sun is the source, it goes on to criticize them for being a rag, as quoted.
Radio Free Asia is the source of the bit about other foods being banned, not hot dogs. I have no issues there.
Let me be clear, there’s nothing in the NZ Herald reporting indicating they are using the Sun as a source.
They DO cite RFA, but they do not cite the Sun.
As the NZ Herald is a trusted source, the post is allowed to stand.
I’m not taking down a story because “well Vice says…” Vice isn’t at play here.
That’s fair, I appreciate the clarification.
Great now I’m hungry for hot dogs.
I really want to balance a tea set on his hair. So flat.
He doesn’t want any reminders of the throat goat Trump in his country
You just need to move the hyphen:
Kim Jung un-bans hotdogs for North Koreans
hyphen
So… like a day later I’m seeing the headline again after having previously read your comment, and now that’s how I read it.
That’s actually what I read the first time.
Hey Kim:
What is this movie? I want to see it now.
It’s from the Game of Thrones series, that’s Ramsey Bolton taunting Theon Greyjoy, and you want to stop watching it quite some while before the final season as the show runners can’t write for shit and GRR Martin hasn’t finished the actual story yet. The beginning is great, though. And so is, so far, House of Dragons, at least for that one the story is finished as it’s a prequel so I’m quite confident it’s not going to turn into a total disaster.
Thanks!
His books are non finished too and adventures (interesting intrigue and all, what is going to gappen??) gets thrown under the bus like “everyone died” (so all that build up was just fluff) of “50 years later” etc.
I can’t understand who likes his books if they haven’t like read all other fantasy books first and just don’t have the choice.
Edit: fantasy, not sf
He’s a damn good author, that’s why. Only read the Song of Ice and Fire books so far, and I’m also going to read the rest… if they ever get finished.
And, yes, I’ve read literally all of Asimov, both Herberts, and am somewhat confused what science fiction has to do with SOIAF. Somehow completely missed cyberpunk but I guess by now it’s too late, I’ve read The Diamond Age, fuck transhumanist dystopia we don’t need the transhumanism for that. Still have catch-up to do on the Culture series.
Fantasy not sf, thanks.
According to Radio Free Asia…
We find the real source of the story buried near the bottom to avoid embarrassment. Must have been a slow news day in New Zealand 🤣 🤣 🤣
Seems I guessed that right from the headline. There’s plenty to shit on, like their soldiers being sent to the Ukrainian meat grinder. But when you see “country bans cheap food” or “country requires kim jong haircuts for everyone”, don’t be gullible.
NZ Herald is borderline tabloid. They just want the clicks. And then paywall some articles. And I’m pretty sure they were the ones caught using ChatGPT to write articles. I’m in NZ and actively avoid them.
Must be a slow day and a weighted agenda for someone to care. 🙄
Why care about truth or credibility, right?
We in the democratic world are capable of making fun of our crazy leaders, even when there might be a clear bias to that information. Those with an agenda to pander to go crazy eyes when anyone in their ideological bubble godhood pantheon has anything that is near seeming borderline bad appear to be associated to them.
If you truly do care whether a despot bans hotdogs for their citizens as a matter of “truth” and “credibility”, it truly must be a slow day and for a weighted agenda. At least the downvote list for that comment should be useful to instance admins, but it’s fairly obvious why *cough* *cough* cross-posted to: [email protected] (see profile)
The source routinely lies about this kind of shit.
You’ve been primed to believe this kind of bullshit to manufacture your consent for any and all heinous shit we continue to subject the DPRK to.
They are giving you an enemy that isn’t the capitalists currently exploiting you.
Truth is always important. And hexbear is a broken clock, something something twice a day. North Korea is a dystopian dictatorship, but spreading lies does nothing to help at all. There are actual victims of authoritarianism in NK, and using their plight for sensationalism and clicks is just awful.
Too bad it isn’t a lie. That’s the thing about dictatorships, they can do whatever the fuck they want.
Why the fuck would NK want to ban hotdogs? literally what is the point of that?
Dictators can do whatever they want, but you think they write nonsensical laws for fun?
China does something akin to this, too:
- https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-24/chinas-government-is-cracking-down-on-christmas-festivals/10666798
- https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/shanghai-puts-stop-spooky-season-rcna177545
The fact is that these authoritarian states don’t want the possibility of any cultural mingling between societies, each has to be as alien as the other for the bubbles of ideology to sustain themselves. That makes it easy to vilify the other.
I see that you can’t really prove its false, it just seems strange to you so it must not be true.
“I know you are all starving, but I’m going to ban some more food.”
Hot dogs are reserved for Dear Leader
He looked at his fingers and thought “I hope no one eats these. I better do something about that.”
And stuff my face so full I’ll die because of it.
If only…
When Kim Jong-un goes on a diet, everyone goes on a diet!
TBF everyone is always on a diet even when he isn’t
He’s literally the fattest man in a starving country. Figuratively too.
Naw, he wants them all for himself.
When tf does Kim jong un go on a diet???
How do people keep up with all these petty laws? If my country banned hotdogs there’s a decent chance I’d miss the announcement and accidentally put a frankfurter in a bun. I could miss it completely and I have internet! How does your average person on North Korea find out about this ban on putting sausages in bread?
They don’t because this is obviously fake…
radio free asia makes shit up all the time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BO83Ig-E8E
it gets clicks and they’re an easy target so they just say whatever they think will get the most clicks.
North Korea is a hell hole but this “news” is just so fucking BS 🤦♂️ What’s next, they’re gonna ban water?
You are aware that different countries eat different foods and just because hotdogs have become popular in South Korea doesn’t mean they are that popular in North Korea, right? You are aware that this isn’t that different to what China tried to do, which was to try to ban Christmas, right? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-24/chinas-government-is-cracking-down-on-christmas-festivals/10666798 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/shanghai-puts-stop-spooky-season-rcna177545
The fact is that these authoritarian states don’t want the possibility of any cultural mingling between societies, each has to be as alien as the other for the bubbles of ideology to sustain themselves.
China is state atheist, of course they’d try to ban christmas, that’s not abnormal for a dictatorship to do. See theocracies in the middle east, for example.
But FOOD? What the fuck do they think, americans are putting secret cameras in the hotdogs? This is so obviously bs, and RFA is a well known propaganda source, dude.
This is so obviously bs
Only in your brainwashed circles bud. The fact is that these authoritarian states don’t want the possibility of any cultural mingling between societies, each has to be as alien as the other for the bubbles of ideology to sustain themselves. That makes it easy to vilify the other. A lot of European societies are largely atheist now, and they still celebrate Christmas, it’s about sharing and enjoying culture festivities versus preventing cultural dissemination, at least bidirectionally.
What brainwashed circles do you think i participate in? I hate authoritarianism, and NK too.
Thank you for virtue signalling appropriately.
Ignoring the question of whether this is real, you’d probably find out when you can’t find them at the store, order from your supplier, etc.
Basically, it would get noticed earlier in the supply chain.
It helps that everyone is corrupt and a general sense of displaying loyalty is more important than any supposed law on it’s own.
This is actually the default way civilisation works - Western-style rule of law is new and weird.
Seems the government would control any hot dog factories anyway
Or this is food smuggled in, which I imagine would already be illegal.
Maybe, but it talks about popular street food in another part of the article so it seems not all food is hand delivered from the government. And a hot dog is “just” a sausage in a bun, I’d think bread and sausages would be reasonably common where food is a problem but maybe I’m wrong.
You mean wouldn’t be common?
It’s only a hotdog if it’s a hotdog sausage you philistine.
You can only call a sausage a “hotdog” if it’s from the hotdog region in Germany.
Well I noticed the article has a picture of a completely different type of hot dog than what I assume they actually banned*. Does that count as a hotdog sausage?
* In New Zealand a “Hot dog” is more similar to what would be called a “Corn dog” in the US. A hot dog sausage in bread would be referred to as an “American hot dog”.
Yes the sausage in a corn dog has the hotdog consistency and extra level of being processed shite.
Continuous government broadcast and propaganda on TV and radio I guess
I’m not sure if most North Korean households have a TV or radio.
They have loudspeakers that can still be heard in people’s homes. They don’t need a radio
Worst case they have their local equivalent of a town’s crier / bellman to announce official statements to the public.
Yeah that was my line of thinking.
I guess we’re posting The Sun and The New York Post articles now…?
The source is neither, but you can choose your preferred link: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=lm&q=north+korea+bans+hotdogs
There’s no credible sources in any of this. A ban may or may not have come to pass, and if it has, it’s possible it’s for some health-related reason, similarly to how processed meats have been taken out of school lunches in other countries. The news itself is not necessarily false, but there’s a definitive spin to this as with almost all English-language news on North Korea. Unfortunately it’s hard for any of us to get any objective info on what’s happening in the country.
Or maybe you just don’t want to believe it. China does something akin to this, too:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-24/chinas-government-is-cracking-down-on-christmas-festivals/10666798 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/shanghai-puts-stop-spooky-season-rcna177545
The fact is that these authoritarian states don’t want the possibility of any cultural mingling between societies, each has to be as alien as the other for the bubbles of ideology to sustain themselves. That makes it easy to vilify the other.
Maybe. And apparently you really want to believe it. Not saying it’s necessarily true or false, just that the people complaining on this thread make some valid points. We do after all like to vilify China/NK on this side of the fence. Vilification goes both ways ;)
I read a dictator making shitty lost in a country with a long list of shitty laws in my news feed, I don’t have a problem believing it. He’s done worse, it’s a Google search away. It also isn’t that different from things China or Russia have done to try to prevent cultures intermingling at home. Lemmy shows its hidden face when for a rather unremarkable but somewhat entertaining piece of news it immediately gets posted to a Marxist Leninist community to brigade.
The bias on Lemmy is to defend China and Russia, even this thread was almost immediately reported to a brigading Marxist Leninist community almost the moment it was created on hexbear, never mind the Lemmy bias on the matter. It just so happens that some things require more mental gymnastics than reality can tolerate, specially when the propaganda usually used to criticize can also be applied to the side they don’t want criticized. There would be no issue if this was a Biden or Trump article, and they are far from dictators. There is no problem with vilifying leaders - unless it involved those in the Marxist Leninist pantheon, apparently.
That Buttigieg looks pretty tasty.
Divorce is considered an anti-socialist act
I would argue it’s quite socialist. Return the pussy to the people.
Gross
We joke about hotdogs being mystery meat, but North Korean hotdogs have to be a terrifying enigma of amalgamated animal proteins.
Supposedly the produce in North Korea is really really good since no one will sell them modern farming equipment or technology, so it’s all done using old methods.
Some would call forced labor the oldest method.
We are talking about hotdogs, not produce grown with human fertilizer.
Ain’t no way they are making artisanal organic whole meat hotdogs unless the emphasis is on the “dog”.
You think tractors worsen vegetable quality or something?
No, but vegetable breeds optimized for yield, requiring modern fertilizer and pesticides, do.
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Scrounging around for components for their nukes I see…
