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It’s worth noting you’re only allowed to insultingly say someone has a mental illness in relation to their gender or sexual orientation.
Do not post … Insults, including those about: … Mental characteristics, including but not limited to allegations of stupidity, intellectual capacity, and mental illness, and unsupported comparisons between PC groups on the basis of inherent intellectual capacity. We do allow allegations of mental illness or abnormality when based on gender or sexual orientation, given political and religious discourse about transgenderism and homosexuality and common non-serious usage of words like “weird.”
Source: https://transparency.meta.com/policies/community-standards/hateful-conduct/
Edit: and the changelog is a hoot.
Soon as Trump gets elected, the disinformation campaign could resume.
Could?
It’s freedom of speech. Being able to say what you want and suffer the consequences of your decisions is what it is all about.
Dana White is on the Meta board as happens to be the same time.
Wonder how much longer you’ll be able to question the impact professional gambling has on the outcome of UFC matches.
huh?
I guess this is what fascists consider “freedom”.
Personally I would rather escape wasting my life in servitude to capital.
I think the big reason they are allowing it is because they got to cut the entire cost of having moderation with an external vendor. Not because they have an agenda or anything. Its pure dollars.
FB won’t even do anything about the constant bombardment of scammer profiles that hit you if you post on any public group. They are always some attractive woman (stolen pics probably) with a profile that is a few months old and 1-2 posts at best. They always have the same message “I saw your profile pic! Friend me!” or some such crap.
Let’s for a second assume it is a mental illness, how does that make the people feel who are experiencing it? Do they feel loved and understood? If you suffered from the same mental illness where the most effective treatment is tolerance and acceptance, how would you like to be treated?
It’s America, love and understanding are not things we do here.
Honestly, I think you’d be surprised. I live in a very red state, and my work participates in the local Pride parades (free rainbow shirts, and a tent), and I see a lot more pride flags in my neighborhood than Trump flags. Granted, my company is in a liberal, but my neighborhood is in a very conservative area (usually 70-80% for the GOP candidate).
Of course, outward displays don’t mean as much as actual relationships, but it’s a lot better than people make it out to be.
We are pretty far from ideal though, but we’re largely moving forward (two steps up and one step back).
Let’s for a second assume it is a mental illness, how does that make the people feel who are experiencing it? Do they feel loved and understood?
“Hate the sin, love the sinner” has been the historical approach far-right evangelicals use to gull parents into conversation therapy for their kids.
Conservatives have adopted much of the same liberalish compassionate language up top and horrifyingly brutal physical, emotional, and sexual abuse on the back end for drug rehabilitation and prison reform.
The American idea of love and understanding is to brainwash them into compliance with social norms, while insisting the torture they’re inflicting is a kindness.
“Hate the sin, love the sinner”
The problem is that people don’t actually do the second, they replace “love” with “pity.” Pity isn’t love, it’s intolerance. If you truly love someone, you won’t care whether they sin or not, you’ll just love them for who they are and want them to be the happiest they can be.
Whether homosexuality is a sin shouldn’t be relevant at all, sin is between an individual and their god, especially in Christianity.
The problem is that people justify their intolerance by misinterpreting or misapplying phrases like these. They think things like conversion therapy is a demonstration of love, when in fact it’s a demonstration of brutal intolerance.
The root of the problem here is intolerance, not the words we use to describe something.
I’ve encountered people disagreeing with ASD ending with D, because people are born, live and die autistic, and also autistic people usually understand each other well enough, it’s with non-autistic people where their communication impairment shows, mostly. And rigidity of thought, sensory issues and such can be arguably considered difference, not impairment.
So yes, “mental illness” is an unpleasant thing to say, especially about things which are not developed and treated during one’s life.
But this is simply not what the issue is about.
The issue is about moderation of social platforms, that one must choose between “the platform” moderating content by this or that policy.
But in fact this is all gaslighting, bullshit, scam. Because in the era of web forums there were no platforms at all, and moderation was still a thing. Due to bigger load on moderators and those being from the not so huge number of active users of some forum, moderator’s rights could be customized very precisely, say, certain kind of discussion certain Alice can be trusted to moderate, and some other kind of discussion not really (due to having a strong opinion), or maybe there’s Bob who can be allowed to make warnings and approve new registrations, but can’t be allowed to delete messages and ban users.
I’ve encountered people disagreeing with ASD ending with D
But shouldn’t it though? According to Webster on disorder:
an abnormal physical or mental condition
And abnormal:
deviating from the normal or average
So something being labeled a “disorder” doesn’t mean it’s “bad,” it just means it’s different from average, and in many cases a cause of distress or discomfort. Not all disorders need to be fixed, they can often be treated by simply accepting them and working around any issues it causes.
The problem here has nothing to do with definitions though, it has to do with harassment and intolerance. Whether being LGBTQ+ or on the autism spectrum is a disorder or not is completely irrelevant, what matters is how we treat each other. If you’re harassing another person, you’re in the wrong, regardless of what the other person is, has, or has done.
Again, let’s go back to Webster about “harass”:
to create an unpleasant or hostile situation for especially by uninvited and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct
The law (largely irrelevant in SM though, up to a certain point) defines harassment as having real damages and intent to inflict harm. If you say being LGBTQ+ is a mental illness because you know it’ll cause harm, then you’re guilty of harassment and should be ejected from the platform. If you say it because it’s topically relevant and you’re not intending to cause harm but it happens, then I argue you aren’t guilty of harassment (and you should probably apologize).
The real issue here is intended and actual impact of statements. It doesn’t matter if your speech is factual, what matters is the intent and the result of that speech.
I’m not a psychologist, psychiatrist, or any form of therapist, so I’m not going to take a hard stance on whether any given thing is a disorder or not, I’m going to stick to answering my above questions. And in my case, accepting LGBTQ+ and people on the autism spectrum costs me exactly nothing and helps improve outcomes for them. So why shouldn’t I do that? What harm could possibly come from me being nice?
So something being labeled a “disorder” doesn’t mean it’s “bad,” it just means it’s different from average, and in many cases a cause of distress or discomfort.
Being left-handed is different from average and causes discomfort when using right-handed tools. Would you call left-handedness a disorder?
Handedness seems to be genetic, so no.
something being labeled a “disorder” doesn’t mean it’s “bad,” it just means it’s different from average
That’s until you start talking about “treatment”, at which point you’re discussing how to mitigate or correct the “disorder”.
And that gets you to Conversation Therapy, which is just medicalized torture.
The end game of “Transgenderism is a disorder” amounts to Gitmo for Trans People.
Conversation Therapy
Ironically, this typo is exactly the therapy LGBTQ+ people need, and probably the therapy that works least well for people on the autism spectrum.
There are a lot of treatments available. For LGBTQ+, the best treatment is probably social acceptance, followed closely by body modification. For people on the autism spectrum, it’s finding a lifestyle that plays to their strengths rather than expects them to conform to whatever is “normal.”
The problem isn’t with definitions, but intolerance. Certain groups refuse to acknowledge that there’s more than one way to solve a given problem, and that more effective and compassionate solutions are valid. If we assume that, for example, homosexuality is a “disorder,” two possible treatments are:
- remove the gay
- embrace the gay
I’m not even sure the first is possible, but the second is absolutely effective. Why default to the harder, unproven option when the second is so effective? The problem here isn’t definitions, but intolerance, but unfortunately tolerance is much harder achieve and changing words is relatively easy.
Fuck Meta and Zuck. I wish I could stop using WhatsApp, as every other Meta product is out of my devices already.
I wish our government actually regulated these corporations so they are not able to have a tentacle in so many essential technologies.
All of the symptoms of the crushing power of techbro oligarchs are directly tied to failures of govt to regulate.
This has been true since “sign in with Facebook” became a thing.
I think with Brazil banning Xitter, and I reckon Starmer might too given how much Musk has attacked him, it might be come more of a thing.
Every journey needs a first step.
Try to convince some of your contacts to use something else. Repeat until a large chunk of your contacts are available outside WhatsApp, and make yourself increasingly harder to access through WhatsApp and increasingly easier to access on your preferred alternative.
This has always been the case.
?? If you go through insta reels and comments you will encounter a metric called “n words / minute”, I don’t think meta cared about moderation at any point
greed is a mental illness.
billionaires are greedy.
the rich are a plague upon society and must be quarantined.
The mental patients both own and run the asylum.
At a certain level ($10 million?) they stop being a symbiote and becomes a parasite.
No what you do is rapidly freeze them and then use a little file to break them apart.
Is this the recipe for Torgo’s Executive Powder?
I thought it was how you got rid of warts but I’m not actually sure. Maybe after they’re removed they get ground?
Well Zuck is preparing a quarantine compound for himself in Hawaii
Mark was never a source of good in this world.
According to the text messages, Zuckerberg wrote, “Yeah, so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard, just ask me. I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS.”
In response, a friend inquired, “What? How did you manage to obtain all that?”
To which Zuckerberg callously replied, “People just submitted it. I don’t know why they ‘trust me.’ Dumb f****.”
They always did because their moderators didn’t act upon old rules anyway.
When we start to say “bad things” about the oligarchy watch hoe fast they shut that down
The problem with western oligarchs is that they rarely step foot on public land …so it’s really hard to track their schedules let alone get a shoot shot off.
A fun non-lethal approach is to just try to sabotage their planes while they’re on the ground. Shooting a hole in the window of a flying aircraft, generally frowned upon. Shooting a hole in a billionaire’s sky yacht while it’s empty in it’s hangar…well that’s just property damage that happens to prevent them from poisoning the atmosphere.
