This was news like 20+ years ago and here we still are.
here we still are.
Not the ones who got type 2 diabetes 20+ years ago
Diabeetus!
My mom says it that way. It makes me twitch.
So other than destroying your teeth, it sounds like the conclusion here is more or less that being overweight is unhealthy and overweight people tend to drink sugary drinks. It’s just empty calories. If you’re naturally lean despite drinking sugar-sweetened drinks then the negative health effects of it are probably significantly lower.
Personally, I just tend to consume mostly artificially sweetened drinks. It takes the edge off when I desire something sweet and to get any significant negative health effects from aspartamine you’d need to be consuming insane amounts of it.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29159583/
Artificial sweeteners appear to change the host microbiome, lead to decreased satiety, and alter glucose homeostasis, and are associated with increased caloric consumption and weight gain.
Drinking too many of these drinks too often can lead to weight gain and insulin resistance
This sounds like insulin resistance could happen additionally to weight gain.
Drinking soda is like drinking alcohol… But it is socially acceptable to shit on people who consume only of the alcohol.
Hmm
I guess drinking and driving is bad PR
Alcohol is incredibly worse, and it’s much less accepted to criticize it. This is inept.
In this scenario, alcohol is less bad than soda. It has similar calories but they’re not entirely empty - different drinks have different advantages. For example beer tends to have vitamin b and a small amount of fiber, whereas soda is completely empty.
Alcohol is detrimental in different ways, especially when you have more than one
What scenario exactly? The deaths and health issues caused by each? Because else, there is really no point. You’re just grasping for anything you can find to defend alcohol if all you can find is"there are some vitamins in some alcoholic drinks", especially considering that it is also the case for a lot of sweet drinks, even sodas.
Alcohol is extremely unhealthy, causes dangerous behaviours, deaths, cancers and so on, is one of the few things that can kill you from withdrawal, causes permanent defects on kids during pregnancy, and all of that while being not only legal, not only accepted, but actually actively encouraged and seen as a requirement in society. If you don’t believe me just try to post anything saying that alcohol is stupid at parties.
I understand alcohol is bad for pretty much everyone and worse for some. There’s no defense.
However in a thread on “the harm of sugary drinks”, it’s not the worst choice.
Both are sins, and should be treated as such.
But sugar gets a pass due to heavy lobby and cultural acceptance.
It should be subject to heavier scrutiny from policy side and socially made unappealing just like how people talk about alcohol in this thread.
For sure, sugar is also more pervasive, whereas alcohol has always been regulated enough to be its own thing.
Sugar isn’t just a problem in candies, desserts, and sodas, but way too much is added to things like yogurt, juice, ketchup, salad dressing, throughout the food chain.
As an occasional alcohol drinker, I’m all for tightening things up. We did prove that prohibition doesn’t work, but age restrictions and taxes have made a huge impact on underage drinking. Let’s crank that up. Make me pay more vice taxes.
Correct, sugar is unchecked and society accepts it.
Tax it and limit social appeal
In this scenario, alcohol is less bad than soda
If by “scenario” you mean you only want to observe single parameter, then fine, but that’s not really useful.
Alcohol is much worse than soda.
By this scenario, I me as n “the harm of sugary drinks”. The context is the title.
Of course alcohol is overall much more harmful but if we’re talking about empty calories and insulin insensitivity, there are worse choices
Sugar kills more and more people are certified land whales.
You’re not going to win this argument, sugar intake is inwardly destructive, while alcohol is inward and outward. The victims of alcohol are not just the people that consume it, whether it be from drinking and driving, spousal abuse, watching someone you love deteriorating their brain and liver, etc.
This is not apples to apples at all.
Deff not apples to apples…
But which one is a public health emergency and which one has bigger lobby?
Alcohol is definitely a big public health issue. But if you think that getting rid of it is an option, we tried that once and it didn’t go too well.
We ain’t getting rid of sugar either… I am positing that we should be treating sugar like alcohol.
Policy and socially.
And car accidents are still more dangerous, and that’s ignoring the non-deadly dangers of alcohol.
Most car accidents are result of poor infrastructure and human error… Not drunk drivers.
In the US 31% of car fatalities are linked with alcohol consumption. I don’t think you can argue that it’s negligible.
I doubt that poor infrastructure is causing more than that, and as far as I know there is no magic solution to solve human error (while there is, for drunk driving: don’t drink).
Also this conversation was about comparing it to sugar, and I will take a bet and say that sugar causes car accidents, violence and rape much less often than alcohol.
I’m talking shit about the bubble tea and coke by the gallon slurping fatties all the time, just a matter of your audience.
