Summary
Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum Pardo revealed that the U.S. agreed to curb gun smuggling into Mexico—something omitted from Trump’s statement about their call.
While Trump announced that Mexico would send 10,000 troops to the U.S. border, he did not mention this key concession.
Studies show 68–90% of traced firearms in Mexico originate from or pass through the U.S.
The tariff pause follows Mexico’s commitment to increased border security, but Sheinbaum’s disclosure highlights a significant aspect Trump did not publicly acknowledge.
More guns flow into Mexico than flow into the U.S. — a fact that Vice President J.D. Vance was corrected on during the vice-presidential debate.
Hey, hey, hey now!
You guys said you weren’t going to fact check
Just the media showing their lib’ruhl bias again. I wonder why facts seem to be so biased against good stolid conservative values.
Facts are just there to prove people wrong
It’s just impolite
April 12, 2021:
According to White House press secretary Jen Psaki, Mexico will maintain a deployment of about 10,000 troops…
Mexico announced in March that it was deploying National Guard members and immigration agents to its southern border, and it has maintained more personnel at its southern border since Trump threatened tariffs on Mexican imports in 2019.
Unless someone can find a source that states that Mexico ever withdrew their 10k troops during the last 3 years… yeah, they already had 10k troops on their southern border, they’ve… just been redeployed to their northern border.
The posted article here from RawStory kind of alludes to how this is a nothing victory by linking to another of their own articles at the end of this one.
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-tariff-mexico/
“Mexico has made similar agreements without the threat of tariffs,” posted Sam Stein, of The Bulwark and MSNBC. “Here in 2021 they agreed to surge the same number of troops to help with migration. Here in 2022 they agreed to invest an additional $1.5b. Here in 2023 were 15 administrative actions.”
“It seems like the trick to negotiating with Trump is to realize he doesn’t have any idea what the current facts are,” said Washington Post columnist Catherine Rampell. “‘Oh you want 10,000 troops?’ says world leader who already deployed 15K. ‘Great 10k it is.’”
This is why Sheinbaum has an ear to ear smile in the image.
He’s not going to, which is why he didn’t mention it. He probably forgot he promised as soon as he said he would.
The majority of illegal immigrants comes over legally through ports of entry and just out stay their visas. Mexico is laughing as they pretend to send 10,000 troops to the boarder to watch dirt.
to watch dirt
Nah. Those people will have a lot to do stopping weapons smuggling into Mexico.
The weapons are purchased legally by Americans and simply driven over. Also through legal ports of entry. It’s not this complicated process.
simply driven over
That’s called smuggling.
Right but the previous commenter is saying adding 10k troops isn’t going to impact the existing ways those guns are smuggled into Mexico. They’d have to stop and search every car which would require a lot more people at the border
Or you know America could ban the production of new guns and ammunition; and begin destroying guns already in circulation. That’s the real answer to America’s and central/south America gun problem. It’s not like drugs where it’s obvious when they are smuggled in large quantities. Guns can be disassembled and parts hidden within the maze of parts that is modern vehicles. Search every vehicle? As if a military personnel will be able to look at a engine bay and be able to tell if one piece of metal is a car part or gun part. But a brick of Fentanyl is kinda easier to tell if its supposed to be their. Also, since America has been a nation we have been treating central and South America as our personal trash can, war zone, political toy, and financial sow to be milked dry. A couple thousand dollars and a wink will get you past any check point into Mexico. Their military just as much as the police know the problem won’t be solved at the boarder. You could find thousands of guns by searching every vehicle and it wouldn’t make a dint; smugglers will just evolve. or you could prevent millions from every being made or transferred hands at the source. Or you know ending the war on drugs would defunct the cartels over night. The problem isn’t the boarder!!! The problem is decades of poor policy and leadership in America.
The problem isn’t the boarder!!!
I agree with you on that. Unfortunately, it’s more complicated than that. Owning guns doesn’t necessarily lead to bad things happening, but it often does, because people are mentally stressed and exhausted. The problem is the poor living conditions many people are forced to live under. What would really help is some sort of social welfare. But i guess, the US has a lot of work to do before it gets there.
I never said gun ownership is the issue. It’s the fact that we have 3 guns (that we know about) for every person and are making more. We need to remove hundreds of millions of guns from cycling
Or you know America could ban the production of new guns and ammunition; and begin destroying guns already in circulation. That’s the real answer to America’s and central/south America gun problem. It’s not like drugs where it’s obvious when they are smuggled in large quantities. Guns can be disassembled and parts hidden within the maze of parts that is modern vehicles. Search every vehicle? As if a military personnel will be able to look at a engine bay and be able to tell if one piece of metal is a car part or gun part. But a brick of Fentanyl is kinda easier to tell if its supposed to be their. Also, since America has been a nation we have been treating central and South America as our personal trash can, war zone, political toy, and financial sow to be milked dry. A couple thousand dollars and a wink will get you past any check point into Mexico. Their military just as much as the police know the problem won’t be solved at the boarder. You could find thousands of guns by searching every vehicle and it wouldn’t make a dint; smugglers will just evolve. or you could prevent millions from every being made or transferred hands at the source. Or you know ending the war on drugs would defunct the cartels over night. The problem isn’t the boarder!!! The problem is decades of poor policy and leadership in America.
Or you know America could ban the production of new guns and ammunition; and begin destroying guns already in circulation.
So, how quickly do you capitulate to fascists?
Well, they already did when they elected the orange turd, didn’t they ?
Not yet. The impacts haven’t hit the ground yet, by and large.
Yes cuz clearly all these guns stopped a coup. Also if you think there’s going to be battles in the street over fascism, the fighting should have happened a long time ago. Turning back the clock will happen over our blood but not how you are thinking.
Takes a bit to get bad enough.
With 10,000 soldiers, they can search a lot more cars.
With 10,000 soldiers they can search many cars!
Or you know America could ban the production of new guns and ammunition; and begin destroying guns already in circulation. That’s the real answer to America’s and central/south America gun problem. It’s not like drugs where it’s obvious when they are smuggled in large quantities. Guns can be disassembled and parts hidden within the maze of parts that is modern vehicles. Search every vehicle? As if a military personnel will be able to look at a engine bay and be able to tell if one piece of metal is a car part or gun part. But a brick of Fentanyl is kinda easier to tell if its supposed to be their. Also, since America has been a nation we have been treating central and South America as our personal trash can, war zone, political toy, and financial sow to be milked dry. A couple thousand dollars and a wink will get you past any check point into Mexico. Their military just as much as the police know the problem won’t be solved at the boarder. You could find thousands of guns by searching every vehicle and it wouldn’t make a dint; smugglers will just evolve. or you could prevent millions from every being made or transferred hands at the source. Or you know ending the war on drugs would defunct the cartels over night. The problem isn’t the boarder!!! The problem is decades of poor policy and leadership in America.
I hope the US agreed to the same thing for Canada, too.
Pretty much all of Canada’s gun crimes are committed with weapons smuggled in from the States.
Honestly, that’s not a bad deal. The US gets fentanyl enforcement. Mexico gets the flow of guns slowed, which weakens the cartels.
The tariff thing was a silly dance to get there, though. Makes me wonder if that wasn’t market manipulation. Knowing the tariffs would hit in the morning, then get lifted before enforcement would have made it very easy to play the market for a ton of money.
but… the Mexican government already had the troops on the border. Biden did that in 2021… so nothing new there. Most Fentanyl is smuggled in my US citizens as they are not scrutinized as much as a Mexican citizen coming in legally or illegally. So again not much of a win… seems like a tantrum that is planned to set him and his wealthy friends to swoop in
So optimistically assuming that Trump will follow through.
Regarding fentanyl, trump did everything except actually address it. Why not impose sanctions on Chinese pharmaceutical companies? Improve regulations to allow tracking of fentanyl ingredients (which are legal), create a task force that would trace suppliers and help impose more sanctions.
As is tradition, your mistake is in assuming he actually wants to help anyone
Or they could have addressed both fentanyl in the US and the cartels in Mexico by just agreeing to end the war on drugs…
Except the US would giving up the current source of slave labor by stopping the war on drugs.
The US gets fentanyl enforcement
Nothing was stopping the US from producing fentanyl.
The (claimed) issue was fent coming over the border, not domestically produced fent.
Right, so nothing changed except Mexico has an excuse to boost troops deployments on our border.
They didn’t need an excuse, more of their troops to the border was the ask.
Yes, I know the more troops on the border was the ask of the Mexican president, which made Donold buckle like a belt.
Those troops are to keep Americans out… Not to keep anyone in.
Almost nothing of the US fentanyl gets in through Mexico…
How do you figure? From my understanding China and other places make precursor ingredients which are then manufactured in the field in Latin America. Are you saying the vast majority is fentanyl manufactured in China and shipped directly to the US?
There has been lots of well published studies in the US last year. Well published enough to catch on the international press.
Most of their fentanyl seems to be smuggled out of their chemical and drug industries.
Your source?
Mexico and China are absolutely the source of pretty much all the illegal fent in the U.S.
Where do you get yours from.
Trump never mentions anything that can make him look like he gave anything up. His fragile ego just doesn’t allow that. He always has to come out as the winner and everyone else has to come out as the loser. And that’s what he will call them.
Yeah, maybe it’s that, or maybe it’s that the arms trade is profitable.
or maybe your brain is broken
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Export guns, import people.
Yeah I mean that’s what has been happening for decades and it’s worked out very well for the US. Profits from arms sales and a steady supply of cheap labor from immigrants. Don’t know why the Republicans suddenly want to kill their cash cow.
Don’t know why the Republicans suddenly want to kill their cash cow.
The average conservative isn’t informed or intelligent enough to understand how drastically they benefit from the horrible working conditions that migrant workers deal with, and they hate brown people.
The entire movement has been backing themselves into this corner for decades.
Don’t know why the Republicans suddenly want to kill their cash cow.
They’re not.
Well, except maybe arms exports, but for cheap labor? If you create a class of people without rights, they become very exploitable.
Don’t know why the Republicans suddenly want to kill their cash cow.
I suspect it’s because that immigration (which benefitted the economy in the 20th century, and therefore the people, as you say) is suddenly becoming very unpopular.
As long as your economy is rapidly expanding (which it did in the 20th century) you import people to do all that work that that growth creates. But when growth slows down, so does demand for labor, and suddenly people realize they’re competing with immigrants for already few jobs. That is why it’s becoming very unpopular, and fast.
Robots. we have Robots now, we dont need them. /s
We need to arm the robots and just get it over with.
How in the hell has it worked out well for the US? Your population and country is a fucking disaster fire
Those texan gun dealers love selling to the cartels through proxy buyers. They are so easy to find if you have access to the right information - just look at whoever buys more than two guns in a 6 month period… the top 80% of that list will probably be unable to procure all the guns they bought because they distribute them over the border.
If we can smuggle people in to the US easily, it should be trivial to smuggle weapons out of the US easily. Hell, if you take out the receivers you can do it in plain sight, just move the receivers illegally.
Trump emerges from this fiasco looking like the bitch that he is.
He has two tricks:
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Accepting deal wins that aren’t wins - So a child had two cookies, you took them both, he starts crying, you give him one of the cookies to soothe him and you eat the other in front of him while he laughs and thinks he’s winning. In this examples, trump is the baby.
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Or, unseen solutions to imaginary problems or problems he created himself - Covers your house in gasoline, sits in a chair and throws lit matches towards it. Then says loudly, NOBODY IS GONNA BURN THIS HOUSE DOWN, YOU GOT IT! And then waits for you to thank him.
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Love the username, love how it ends with .zip, love the picture, love it in the context…
Bro, 10/10.
Well if it isn’t my old nemesis, unintended consequences.
I would be so tickled if this was the catalyst for stricter gun laws and enforcement.
When fascists start trying to get stricter on guns, it’s time to buy more of them.
A whole bunch of these people don’t get it. They’re still stuck in the my side/their side dichotomy. I’d be willing to bet money 90% of lemmy bends the knee and kisses the ring when it’s their turn.
Isn’t this mostly just for show for his base anyway? “See! I’m doing what I said I’d do!”
As always, if your source for anything is “trump said”, you really don’t have a source. Just gotta ignore everything he says, it just feeds him.
I didn’t need Claudia to tell us that Trump folded and didn’t actually make any deals.
