If implemented, the secret order would give the UK access to encrypted backups belonging to any user — not just Brits.
  • @slaacaa
    53•5 days ago

    Politicians still don’t know how E2E encryption works (and/or they don’t care)

    • The QuuuuuillEnglish
      27•5 days ago

      they don’t think they’ll ever encounter consequences themselves

    • @bassomitronEnglish
      8•5 days ago

      I had thought that 5+ years ago, Google, Apple, Meta, etc. all created “master” private keys that would allow them to unencrypt users’ data. At the time, the argument used was to combat CSA material/trafficking. I could be wrong, though. I’ll try looking it up later.

      Edit:

      I did a quick search while on break at work.

      Apple claims they have no master key and do not allow governments direct access to their servers. They only provide data when legally required to;

      https://www.apple.com/privacy/government-information-requests/

      Google claims the same thing.

      As for Meta, I could only find anecdotal Reddit posts that seem to somewhat contradict the E2EE claims from Meta, as an example:

      https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1g6tqg7/meta_ai_scanning_private_conversations/

      https://www.reddit.com/r/facebook/comments/1al9dk9/messenger_has_access_to_the_endtoend_encrypted/

      So it seems that Meta is likely scanning content before the encryption takes place. So they can still claim that messages are indeed E2EE, but that’s useless when their AI tools are still scanning the content beforehand.

      There’s also this recent development:

      https://www.medianama.com/2024/03/223-meta-end-to-end-encryption-europe-interoperability-2/

      In spite of these processes, Meta has concerns. The blog post said, “Without ownership of both clients (endpoints) we cannot guarantee what a third-party provider does with sent or received messages” and thus cannot assure that messages are safely encrypted and protected. Further they said that with interoperability they would “lose connection level signals that are important for keeping users safe from spam and scams such as TCP fingerprints.”

      Finally, Meta said that having a intermediary between third party provider and a Meta server could expose the “chat metadata to the proxy server, which increases the likelihood that this data could be accidentally or intentionally leaked.”

      Tldr; I wouldn’t trust Meta’s E2EE.

      • @pivot_root
        1•5 days ago

        I think trusting Meta’s (or Google’s) E2EE at any point would have been a bad decision. Facebook thrived on collecting user data, and end-to-end encryption of private conversations spits in the face of that. If it’s antithetical to their profits, there’s incentive to bypass the intent but still technically be implementing it (on-device keyword scanning, maybe?).

      • Optional
        1•5 days ago

        Would like to know that!

    • @[email protected]English
      3•5 days ago

      Oh, I’m pretty sure they fully understand how it works.

      They simply expect tech to roll over when commanded, and in this case, it does indeed look like Apple is going to do exactly that.

      • @[email protected]English
        3•5 days ago

        The article says Apple is opposed. Additionally, they’ve already offered E2E backups, but you had to opt in. Well know they’ve capitulated if/when they remove that option.

    • @TORFdot0English
      14•5 days ago

      Sad how in 2025 this applies to pretty much every country

  • @dance_ninja
    10•5 days ago

    In response to the order, Apple is expected to simply stop offering Advanced Data Protection in the UK. This wouldn’t meet the UK’s demand for access to files shared by global users, however.

  • @KoalaUnknown
    8•5 days ago

    E2E encryption is still available in the US for now, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the government forces that to change soon.

  • Optional
    -5•5 days ago

    “EU orders Apple to let anything in to the AppStore”

    Androiders: Yeah! Open that shit up! Stupid Apple!

    “EU orders encryption back door”

    Androiders: . . . Not like that!

      • Optional
        11•5 days ago

        I . . . I knew that. I was just . . testing everyone.

        Uh, congratulations, . . y- you all did very well.

        • noughtnaut
          3•5 days ago

          I’m happy to see that these posts of yours are a net positive, because this is a beautiful comeback.

    • @tortina_original
      5•5 days ago

      Are you mentally challenged?

      Edit: this was harsh and you don’t seem like a bot, apologies to you.

      • Optional
        4•5 days ago

        Apparently yes.

        Apologies. Withdrawn.

  • Autonomous UserEnglish
    -5•5 days ago

    Only possible as iOS fails to include a libre software license text file. We do not control it, anti-libre software.