I was looking forward to trying Sync today now that it’s live, but my enthusiasm was immediately dampened after seeing the “Data Safety” section on the Google Play store.

Liftoff has been great, and want to say thanks for making an awesome app. This will continue to be my daily driver.


Edit: for clarity, because the post got way bigger than I expected.

Sync looks like a fantastic app, and the dev/s should charge whatever they feel is fair for their efforts, even if that’s through the usual ads + ad tracking.

My intent was just to post here in /c/Liftoff to thank the Liftoff devs for managing to somehow offer an awesome app without any of that.

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    I dont get you people. Making those apps is maybe a hobby for some but a job for others. People asked for Synch for Lemmy and the dev WORKED on it and will continue WORKING on it.

    Love to see how many of you guys will work for free. And you probably all work for places that NEVER collect any data.

    Could I use a free app for Lemmy? Sure, but I want Synch, because I know what Synch has to offer is what I want. I don’t need to settle for an “almost” solution. I can use Synch and I gladly paid for it.

    • @AngryCommieKender
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      Not to mention that Sync for Reddit had the same exact data advisory tag. The developer has been very open that he doesn’t store or sell the data, it is just needed for the free version to work properly.

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        I think the issue is not with wether the dev collects data, its about the dev using google products, which do collect, store and sell data.

        There are alternatives to Firebase, (i think they can even be self hosted), so its something that can be improved without affecting much the development time or other aspects.

        • @[email protected]
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          The Dev has shown countless times that he listens to his community and is willing to make changes. I mean for fucks sake he spent untold hours completely building a new UI and still made sure the old styling was available for users who prefer the classic look.

          If enough people raise a stink about Google services I’m sure he will look at alternatives.

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          I mean, you can’t even install the pro version (without ads) unless you’re deep in the ass of the Google ecosystem. Someone checked and the pro version doesn’t send any tracking requests (which checks with what the developer said - the ad library is not even initialized in the pro version) so it’s not that bad for me.

          But the part where I have to have Play Services is a huge no-no for me. So with Sync I can choose a) have spying ads or b) have different spying ads.

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        Of course it has the same data advisory tag, they both have/had a paid version of the app. It needs to collect financial information for that. That’s data that you have to offer voluntarily for christ sake, and then it checks whether your account is subscribed or not since lemmy itself wouldn’t indicate that. Even if it didn’t show ads, it would still have a data advisory tag. I can understand people who are extremely privacy obsessed online avoiding any app that collects data, even benign or optional data, just in case, but some people are treating it like sync is spyware just because it has a data advisory tag, which is ridiculous.

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      I think OP doesn’t mind paying for an app, it’s the “collect data” that was his issue. If the free version collects data to send you ads, and there is an option to buy and remove the data collection and ads, then that’s probably fine with most people.

      • @aircooledJenkins
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        That’s the way it is being reported. Buy to remove ads and the tracking goes away.

        • @[email protected]
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          Yeah, I’ve been really disappointed in Lemmy’s response to sync. I thought this community was supposed to be technically minded but in every thread on Sync, the top comment is repeating disinformation about tracking and there’s tons of people tearing down the developer.

          I get not wanting to use an App that has ads, but people are getting downright toxic over an App that no one is forcing them to use lol.

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            It’s extremely ridiculous. I just subscribed to Sync Ultra for $17/year. I have other apps that I subscribe to for a similar annual rate. I don’t mind paying to support a good app and its continued development. Pretty sure I can forego a few lattés a year and I’ll be OK while the devs get to eat and keep doing what they do.

          • @Deftdrummer
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            Everyone just wants a chance to test out their freshly released app of choice’s commenting and bickering capabilities. Let’s be honest.

          • Buelldozer
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            The fediverse has a very high percentage of users who are FOSS zealots. These people would rather drink rancid gnu piss from Richard Stallman’s sweaty jock strap than deal with commercialized software. After you’ve been around them long enough (1996 in my case) you learn to tune them out.

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              That’s not true. You can run analysis on the App’s activity. All the tracking calls go away when you upgrade. No need to trust the Dev.

          • Rikudou_Sage
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            Where are the disinformation? Show me how I can have the ad-free version on my phone that doesn’t have Play Services and I’ll be very happy.

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              There are lots of comments and posts giving the false impression that Sync is tracking you outside of what is needed to support ads, including posts showing trackers from websites that are linked through lemmy and not part of sync at all (you would get those same trackers just browsing vanilla lemmy and clicking through a link)

              You can do your own tracker analysis on the App. When you pay to disable ads all tracking goes away, which lines up with the developers claims that he doesn’t even load those libraries through the ad SDK when you aren’t on the ad supported version.

              And yeah, this is distributed through the play store, if that’s an issue for you, you don’t need to download it, but like… that’s not the misinformation I’m talking about.

              • Rikudou_Sage
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                There are lots of comments and posts giving the false impression that Sync is tracking you outside of what is needed to support ads

                Never noticed that, I think that the tracking because of ads is what people dislike.

                When you pay to disable ads all tracking goes away

                I’d actually love to! While I like open source more, I’m not opposed to the occasional non-open-source app if it’s good and not shady. But I’d have to have Play Services on my phone, which I don’t. I used to use Sync Pro back in the Reddit days but then I switched to a different OS to have more privacy and I had to change to Relay Pro because Sync Pro doesn’t work without Play Services.

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        Another thing to consider is that in the past apps could be sold separately with an ad version and an ad free version. So people could flat out avoid having an app that had any ad elements.

        So there now only being an ad version, and then the initial first impression people saw was a subscription model to remove ads rubbed people the wrong way.

        Either way, people can use the app or not, but it’s been odd how some people have been so emotional over people choosing to not use Sync. Like one of the top comments in this thread is just someone insulting foss and people not paying for Sync.

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        I don’t you should be forced to pay for it to stop collecting data assuming it does. Just give them non personalized ones instead. Unless that’s also what you meant then nvm.

  • @Lord_Logjam
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    Sync has just updated to allow a one off payment to remove ads. Dawson is also adding a one off payment for lifetime Ultra as well.

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      Aren’t they still tracking after that? Simply hiding ads doesn’t make you less of a commodity.

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        No. The data tracking is because of the Google services ads. An app developer gets no compensation for data tracking, only serving ads which causes the tracking.

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          An app developer gets no compensation for data tracking, only serving ads which causes the tracking.

          That’s seriously splitting hairs. The tracking is part and parcel with the ads, the compensation is for the tracking too.

          • SpaceBar
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            What I was responding to was about what happens when the ads are removed by subscribing. If the ads are removed, there is no more tracking.

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            Isnt tracking done by Google service app and not sync itself? I am not an app developer but it doesn’t seem logical for someone to add tracking elements that they have no control over.

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        It’s been confirmed that if you pay to remove ads, the ad sdk doesn’t even get loaded

      • @[email protected]
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        It’s a monetization strategy for the work he’s put into the app. I see why people don’t like it but I never intended to see a single ad in Sync anyway

        • @[email protected]
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          Ahhh that’s a no from me. I’d pay if I like it, but injecting ads into the feed and I’m out. Just trying liftoff now. Seems solid.

          • @Cheems
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            I like liftoff a lot. There are a couple of features I’d like to see (such as an option to automatically hide child comments) however they’ve already added other features I’ve suggested.

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            I’ve read elsewhere that this app is his full time job, and this is obviously my opinion, but FWIW sync has by far the best UX of any app I’ve ever used and I’ve been using it for about a decade.

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              Weird, I remember him having a job and sync being a side thing. Something the moderators mentioned after LJ pushed that big update on sync for reddit and some users attacked him to the point he took a break.

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                I think that may have been before he went full time on the app, I could definitely be wrong though

      • @Lord_Logjam
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        No but the free version of Sync does because weirdly the dev would like to be paid for his work 🤷🏼‍♂️

    • @Anders429
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      How much is it to remove all ads?

      • @M0ty
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        20$

      • pirate fish
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        It’s $20 to remove ads but there are also ultra features you have to pay extra for

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      • @Lord_Logjam
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        Luckily there are some decent free alternatives you can use once you’ve cleaned up that puke.

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      Nice of “Dawson” to think to formally add that after people already signed up for subscriptions and others started calling him out on it. There was no reason Sync needed to release today if that option wasn’t prepared, and if it was seriously being considered, maybe he should of notified users in the app before they started spending money.

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        It’s still in beta. Beta doesn’t mean feature-complete.

        Given the popularity of the app, waiting for perfection wasn’t going to make sense. With sync, I have near parity on features with Jerboa, a smoother experience and what’s lacking will be added.

        Also, why put the dev’s name in quotes? It just makes things look hateful. Full name is ljdawson… but that’s the dev’s name.

        I’m not entitled to another’s labor for free. Some may choose to give it, but I’m not entitled to it. And if I like something, I expect there’s a cost. If it makes me happy enough, I pay.

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      Hard disagree. I find Sync the best user experience so far, including the best looking UI hands down

      • @pavlov
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        I’ve been using Voyager until today. It was a fine app, but anyone who thinks it holds a candle to Sync is off their rocker. Sync has more features, runs far more smoothly, and looks a hell of a lot better.

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          Exactly. I don’t think many of the people who are claiming Sync is no better than others have actually used and thoroughly explored Sync, even for Reddit.

          The customization options are incredible. Beautiful UI. Backup options. Filters. Settings that are fine tuned, and separate per account. It feels like years of work and polish, compared to weeks or months for others. Others work fine (fan of Liftoff), getting better, but I’m blown away with Dawson and Sync. The “ad outrage” is disappointing and silly to me at this stage (literally day one).

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            Well the years of work is literally that. Sync for lemmy is based on sync for reddit base. Or so it seems

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              Yes, just trying to say the years can actually be felt, and it’s an almost unfair advantage, but fantastic for users. Also yes, it’s indeed a full replica with all the features of Sync for Reddit, incredible for day one. Boost will probably have similar advantages.

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        I was in the same boat, but I find Connect pretty similar to Sync’s usability.

    • @[email protected]OP
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      Yeah, the free apps have really raised the bar. I think there’s a lot of passion out there for the fediverse and non-corporate social media.

      I haven’t tried Voyager yet, but it sounds like I should give it a shot!

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        Isn’t that down to what one individually consider “good”?

        I find notepad-style text editors better word processors than Microsoft’s online Office system. It’s not because notepads are technically better or more visually appealing. It’s because I value not being tracked more.

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            Yup! That’s why nobody can like whichever client they prefer. Having different opinions is completely incomprehensible and utterly baffling. Why wouldn’t everyone love the same set of 6 apps?

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      What does liftoff have that the others don’t?

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        For one, it handles account switching much more smoothly than most apps I’ve tried.

        While viewing a post, commenting, searching, or posting, you can choose your originating instance from a drop-down. Most other apps have to reload your feed and/or relaunch.

        It’s been really helpful for me whenever an instance is bogged down or acting funny, and I can just hop over without losing my place.

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          Yes, this is really handy every time world gets attacked. I still have my world account set as my main, but it’s super easy to just switch over.

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          Liftoff is great, it’s true. Sadly, it lacks the only feature I’m after : hide read posts on scroll. Saw requests for this not being answered, so I guess it’s not coming.

          Great app I admit, but a hard pass for me because of this.

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              I want it to scroll to the comment in the post. I’m always manually trying to find the context of a comment by scrolling and looking.

              I mean when you get a notification about a response and it takes you to the comment. It just shows you the comment. And then you click on Show Context. And here I was hoping it would scroll to the location of the comment in the post.

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        A better question is, what does Liftoff lack that others don’t?

        I miss being able to hide posts, for example.

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          In Sync settings under View Type, you can enable the option to hide a post from the main feed view. In fact, there’s a lot of additional features that can be enabled and customized, the options menu is enormous and it really can be customized to your personal preferences.

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    • 💡dim
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      thing is, with all you list (and sync) the key thing is there is CHOICE

      Nobody is forcing anyone to use Sync. If you don’t like the model it uses, then use something else that better fits what you want. People in this thread are acting like its compulsory to use sync.

      BUT. what sync will do is bring people over from reddit. Sync for Reddit was hugely popular and there are tens of thousands of people that used Sync for years that had not shown any interest in Lemmy. Sync will bring some of those to this community which can only be a benefit to everyone.

      Don’t like it, don’t use it.

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      Infinity is coming? Is it similar to the reddit version? And where can I see updates for it?

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        Whoa summit is pretty nice. I’ve been using Connect but maybe not anymore.

    • @[email protected]
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      I used Sync for a long time on Reddit, but there didn’t seem to be any free clients (with no ads) there.

      I like “no ads” a lot more than I like “a very slightly better UI”, and the free ones for Lemmy offer enough for what I need. I don’t know what a paid one could offer over that to convince me to buy it.

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      ROFLCOPTER

      claiming these are just as good as sync just tells what you expect the apps to do

      but what I’ve seen and (a lot of the other posters) is that sync is a whole lot smoother than all these apps and is the most feature-rich client

      if getting tracked is your main problem in using sync, just use nextdns or pihole to block connections to google servers or pay up (currently only using google, I wish there was some other way)
      I’ve read sync for reddit stopped connections to google after paying up

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    • @[email protected]
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      And for me, font is just too smal and hard to setup in Sync. And slow.

      Jerboa wins again.

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    Sync VS FOSS thing isn’t over yet? Let everyone use what they like the most. Let everyone be the judge of their own data and how it is being used. For god’s sake, live and let live folks

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        • @[email protected]
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          I, for one would rather actively work to de-normalize it!

          There, is that written accurately enough for you?

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            • @Araozu
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              Do you know yourself for a fact that no data is being taken by Sync itself?

              And its a fact that Google and Firebase are taking your data. Even if Sync itself doesn’t collect any data, it uses Google products (as stated in their Privacy Policy which I’m 1000% you did read), and any and all google products will take your data.

              That’s the point of using a FOSS client, if it collected data people would know, the code is public. And the data collection can be removed, since the code is public.

              Even outside of data collection or privacy, which clearly you don’t care about, we should avoid giving Google more power. Look at manifest v3 or the web integrity API. That affects not only your privacy, but your security and ability to use the internet. And not only yours, but the whole world

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                • @Araozu
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                  Well, you are just one of the (majority of) people who apparently don’t care about being tracked by google. Me personally, others in the comments and maybe OP don’t use anything google related, have custom ROMs without gapps and avoid Google like the plague. So it is a concern for us, using Sync would open the door to google tracking.

                  Others have pointed out that even if you pay for pro, Sync still requires Play Services.

                  You seem to happily Google products, so my point wouldn’t apply to you. I just thought that most people would be concerned about google and tracking and fingerprinting and all that stuff, since we are in Lemmy and the Liftoff sub.

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                  Firebase is typically a dependency for key app features. If the app still works 100%, you’re probably not even blocking the traffic.

                  Using Google Drive/Photos is just another problem. Amazing to me people keep bringing that up like a “you’re a hypocrite” trump card.

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              • @Takumidesh
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                But you don’t actually know what code is running on a given lemmy server. Just because the source is open, doesn’t mean that any given server is using the reference implementation, admins could be running whatever they want on their backend.

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        Christ, closed source is not the devil, and if you treat it like it is then it shows you don’t actually know how open or closed source works, or the pros and cons of both types of software.

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        I would rather not normalize software that looks and works like a high school project made by someone who doesn’t know what UI or UX are.

  • @BrokenToshy
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    All I’ve learned from today’s drama is some of you people really love apps. People getting enraged over which apps people are using…

    Lemmy really seems to attract even more terminally online people

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    I think it’s a little uncharitable to Sync to characterise it like this. Yes, it collects personal data to show ads. However, you have the choice to refuse or pay a one time fee to get rid of it entirely. It’s the nonconsensual nature of data collection that robs users of their agency that makes it problematic.

    Devs need to eat and donations are not always a realistic revenue scheme. With the one time fee, Sync has signalled it cares about its users and not just value extraction like Big Tech. I will probably pay that and be happy.

    I like Liftoff, I also like Sync. I use both atm.

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      I totally get that, and the sync dev seems like a good guy who should charge whatever he feels is reasonable for his time. To an average end user like me though, it feels a bit like there are 5-6 booths offering bananas for free, but then someone set up a booth right next to them selling bananas for $20 a pop or requiring me to sit through a sales pitch.

      I just wanted to show my appreciation for the guy at my favorite booth who is doing it for free when they really didn’t have to.

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        Okay, but in this scenario one guy offers it for free because he helps to grow bananas as a hobby with a bunch of other guys who also help, and he doesn’t need to sell the bananas to make a living, while the guy offering bananas for money grows bananas himself or just with his family for a living and so selling them is how he can afford to make more and also put food on the table. You can also have his bananas for free too, as long as you’re okay with the bananas having stickers with sponsored brand names on them. I can understand not wanting to pay for something when there are free versions available, and the prices can be a bit high for some people atm, assuming they don’t change in the coming days, but the guy selling bananas for money isn’t forcing you to buy his bananas instead of getting the free ones from other booths, he’s offering his bananas for people who are willing and able to pay for them or willing to tolerate ads on them to support him. Presumably you didn’t feel the need to thank liftoff before the stuff with sync happened, so it doesn’t come across like you’re just thankful to liftoff in general, more like you’re doing it because you’re unhappy with sync.

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        Man, that’s Ferrari. That’s how they operate. You can buy lots of cars, but you can’t just walk into a dealer and buy a Ferrari.

        You can sit and be fucking mad at Ferrari, or just choose to say “that’s an expensive thing for a dumb privilege”, … and drive an Audi instead.

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        I think @[email protected] has already made a good point regarding your example.

        I’m not judging you or anything, just that the appreciation could have been shown without comparing it to Sync. It can come off as a bit combative, when you didn’t mean it like that.

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        And look what you’ve done. You brought the crazies out. The extremists.

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      you have the choice to refuse

      If you’re in the EU, of course.

      pay a one time fee to get rid of it entirely

      If you already have spyware called Play Services on your phone.

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        I just used a VPN to the EU and refused. Yeah it sucks that governments don’t care, but nothing I can do about it right now.

        As for Play Services, most people will never run a degoogled phone. So, that’s that.

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    Bro, of course it has a data safety section, it offers a paid version so it will need to be able to collect your financial information, and any trackers are removed if you remove ads or turn off personalized ads. That doesn’t mean it’s stealing your data, those are regular app functions for apps that have iaps or show ads.

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    It’s seriously a great app, so I don’t get the fuss about Sync either. I’ve been a Sync and Boost user before but I’m very content with the apps we already got for Lemmy so I won’t throw in another one to choose from.

    I’ve been switching between Liftoff, Voyager and Thunder because they all seem to good to just lose them right now lol

    • @[email protected]OP
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      Sync looks super clean and is probably a fantastic app, but I’m just a little put off by the data privacy. It’s like a month or so in the fediverse has spoiled me, and I can’t go back to being a product.

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        Yes, thanks for pointing that aspect out. I get the motivation to collect data to serve ads but I wish to stay with privacy respecting options too and I hope the contributors to those clients see enough donations to make their efforts worthwhile as well.

      • zalack
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        The data privacy stuff is all related to the plumbing required to serve ads.

        If you pay for the ad-free version none of that stuff gets loaded.

        • @Melco
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          • zalack
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            Because people have run analysis on the activity of the app already and the trackers don’t fire if you aren’t on the ad supported version.

            All of the listed stuff is also required for serving ads through services like Google and pretty normal for ad-supported apps.

            • @Anders429
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              His dad works at Sync for Lemmy

    • @[email protected]
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      To me, it’s that these apps are established and developed into a clean user experience, many with like a decade of fine tuning. These new apps are, to me, not as good for that reason alone.

      Of course it’s all preference, but that’s my input on the subject.

      I found boost a great app and I was one of the first people (if not the first, my post on his sub is the first instance of it) to tell Ruben to make a lemmy app. I like Ruben because every single time I’ve ever had an issue with Boost for reddit, he responded directly to me and either helped me solve a user error or he would literally patch the app and push an update that included my issue. He’s a great dev and I’m glad he’s decided to continue development else where, and I’m glad to support him in this. While I could easy patch ads out using lucky patcher, I will pay for premium of boost for lemmy as soon as it’s ready

      • @[email protected]
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        Thanks for your input! To me the three I listed feel very similar to what I had with Boost/Sync, probably because they were inspired by them in their main aspects. Admittedly though for me it’s just some tweaks and I’m happily scrolling away whereas B/S offer a litany of settings to customize every aspect of your browsing and posting experience which is very attractive, especially for more heavy users.

        Nice to hear about your positive interactions with the dev. That sounds awesome and certainly is a good argument for supporting him in particular but also other developers delivering quality software be it open source or not.

  • @FlashZordon
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    The race to make a Lemmy app has made some solid contenders step up. There are a lot of legitimately good apps.

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        dev’s gotta eat

      • WorseDoughnut 🍩
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        Because I want to support the developer? Sync has had a ton of work put into it over the last few years, it’s a non trivial task for a developer to commit that much time to a free app. I also hate patreon, so $17 a year is a steal. It’s also literally like a chipotle burrito every 12 months. I think I can fit that into the budget.

  • @yuriy
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    lil reminder that this was posted to the liftoff community. the sheer volume of comments echoing the same “fuck you for complaining, you’re wrong” sentiment would really make you wonder. it’s not like you wandered, drunk, into their community and started shit talking sync.

    coincidentally that does seem to be what most of the sync-stans in here have done, though.

  • @Anders429
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    Yeah, one glance at the terms of use had me uninstalling the app. I don’t feel like “decentralized social media” and “sale of personal data” pair well together.

    • @designated_fridge
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      It’s like people are trying to misinterpret.

      Liftoff is strictly using Lemmy’s free API and for the developer 5 users or 5M users doesn’t make a difference to his expenses.

      The Sync developer is obviously trying to do something more ambitious.

      It’s great that we have FOSS apps that do a decent job but we shouldn’t look down on developers who put a lot of time, effort, and money into something expecting to make a return on their investment.

      I don’t like data collecting either but I accept that if you want to offer a free version - it’s inevitable. What I hate is when you’re not able to pay for ads to go away.

      But I might be biased as I’m a developer myself and would hate to put 8-9 weeks of hard work into delivering a great app and then get hate for wanting to get something in return for that work.

      • @PrinterElf
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        You’ve been able to pay for ads to go away for about the last 16hrs, the update to B25 dropped last night.

        The original plan was not to release version like that until it was more polished, but the masses have spoken and been listened to almost immediately.

        In terms of data collection, LJD is literally just bothered about Crashlytics.

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        I am honestly fine with giving these permissions for a free version of the app as I understand the developers need to monetize with ads for the free version. What I would like to see though that the paid version with subscription is another app that does not ask for these permissions. If I am paying for the app to remove ads and/or get additional paid features, the app seemingly still collects that data. As a user I have no way to tell what the developer is doing with that data. Is it only to retain sessions / enable features or is my data being given to third parties regardless if I pay or not

      • @jarfil
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        The Sync developer is obviously trying to do something more ambitious.

        Hm, what exactly? It doesn’t seem to have any particularly remarkable features 🤨

        • @GiddyGap
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          Sounds like you didn’t actually try the app. It’s super fast and smooth. Lots of customization, great UI. I happily pay for that effort.

          Sync will surely make the lemmy ecosystem more attractive and bring in a ton more people, which is a great thing for everyone here whether you use the app or not.

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            Ok, so I have been trying out Sync… and well, yes, the UI is slightly better, but most of the “fancy” stuff is only in the paid version… which is kind of steep for stuff I could wait a year or two without.

            Most interesting feature I’ve seen, is the search function, but it still fails in many places, so that’s somewhat bittersweet. Curiously, it’s one of the free ones, so… well, I guess I’ll leave it installed for a while and see how things go.

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            More people isn’t great. It’s how social media begin to sink. It was like this on Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, etc.

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          Tons of more options and a faster and smoother interface. And moving subscriptions across instances is coming. And it has cloud sync.

          But I agree, it’s quite pricy for the extra bells and whistles.

          • @jarfil
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            Migrating accounts across instances is a pending Lemmy core feature, the server part has to sort that out.

            Liftoff’s interface seems fast and smooth to me, only thing I might be missing is some sort of “multireddits” or Mastodon-like “timelines” to sort things out a bit better, but using multiple accounts kind of works too.

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              I mean it’s probably better if the server has it, but it can be implemented client side too. All the information about a users subs is right there in the api.

              And it feels like the server devs have their hands full, so features like this could be quite some time.

          • @aircooledJenkins
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            moving subscriptions across instances

            The language on Sync Ultra is “Import / export subscriptions (Easily move between instances)”

            • @[email protected]
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              Well yeah, but I think the apis are enough. There are already utilities using those apis to copy subscriptions.

      • @scarrtt
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        “Something” is $115 for the lifetime subscription. I paid $35 for the same thing 13 months ago, and it was $3 before that. He didn’t exactly build the app from scratch either. It’s greed, so I’ll be getting the cracked version on Mobilism as soon as it’s released

        • WorseDoughnut 🍩
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          One time ad removal is $20, the ultra subscription is clearly a very different thing so.

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            You don’t think it’s unusual that he’s more than tripled the price of Ultra? After selling a “lifetime” sub 13 months ago? This is a total swizz

        • Nyan
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          And yet you expect to be able to use the software they produce for free

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            I lean on the same opinion, and it’s not like that at all, if Liftoff or whichever application were to be on the store with a pricetag they would probably even be happy to pay for it, this is not about cost for us users, it’s about being sold to trackers and advertisers and it being proprietary. You can argue that if the developer made it open source then someone would have just forked it off without all the restrictions and privacy problems and that version would have effectively taken the place of the original, that may or may not be true, it seems like a lot of people are faithful to the original developer.
            If it were to happen though, I think it would speak numbers on the practice itself, this is fundamentally an ethical issue, the developer made an application that he maintained over the years, I have huge respect for that in and of itself, he also made it paid for, absolutely fine still, but the free version has ads, that’s not cool, not because ads are bad, but because the current ad landscape depends on tracking/profiling the users who consume them, now he will have made a fair bit of money in all these years so I’d say he already reaped the benefits of his own work, that doesn’t mean he’s not allowed to make more money off it, but as long as his work was based on another proprietary platform (Reddit) I’d say the ethics of it were in a gray area, kind of understandable, now he adapts his app to a new platform (Lemmy) that doesn’t monetize its users and is libre software (can’t go further than AGPL) and he keeps his app proprietary and with the very same downsides as before, not only that, it costs more, even though there are no API costs and the transition to it couldn’t have cost him some ungodly amount of effort to implement, but that’s beside the point, everyone names their price, I may not agree with it, but it’s not a bad thing per se. What I’m not ok with is how he’s half profiting off some other people’s work, i.e. the server developers, I think it’s morally wrong, but I would have never thought that if, for instance, he made it open source with no ads trackers and sold it for any amount (20€? 30€? Idk) on the Play Store. You probably wouldn’t agree with me simply because ethics are subjective and free software is a matter of ethics, not money, I care about it because, to a certain extent (I’m not a maximalist) I care for my own freedom in computing and black boxes just hurt a free ecosystem.

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      It asks for consent to personalize ads / sell your data, you can say no. I did, and I just see a black square with “Sponsored Content” in the centre, no ad, probably a bug.

      You can also pay for the version without ads; there’s Ultra, but Sync Pro one time purchase will be available soon.

      I used Sync Pro for Reddit for years, it was awesome. Liftoff is great, and I recommend it, but I’m going to use Sync Pro.

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    I’m very impressed with liftoff and lemmy too actually. Honestly it feels like I’ve struck gold with installing liftoff. I’m not looking for anything else to browse lemmy with, liftoff is all I need. I’m really happy with it!

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      “I’m impressed with the rotary telephone and Ma Bell too actually. I’m not looking for anything else to make calls with, the rotary phone is all I need. I’m really happy with it!”

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        So liftoff being a rotary phone and lemmy a bell. Care to elaborate? What feels like “in no time” apps like liftoff have filled the RIF void for me with much success. I like to give credit where it’s due.

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    I just wish more apps would allow blocking instances. I don’t want to hide all NSFW content, but hot damn there is a lot of different porn communities in @lemmynsfw and it is a pain to block each individually.

    Sync has this feature. Liftoff does not and voyager(my old daily use) did not.

    Sync also does feature markup settings that voyager does not like bold hidden text ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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      Connect allows this, great app.

    • @[email protected]
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      Connect has the option. There is also the option to block comments, but it seems to be a toggle for all blocked instances instead of a per-instance basis. Currently I’ve only blocked feddit.de because I don’t speak the language. Don’t know what I’ll end up doing if I want to block an instance and its comments though.

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        Connect blocks the comments of blocked instances by default, at least it does for me. They still show up and you can click on them to show the content if you want. There is a setting to not block the comments of blocked instances. I too blocked feddit.de cause of ze german.

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      Thunder has this and so does liftoff (at least the latest versions I am using through obtainium).

    • @[email protected]OP
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      Instance blocking would be really nice. There are also some bot instances that mirror content from reddit, and while I get the appeal, I’d rather not have it in my feed. I’ve just been blocking the bots individually.

      • @Kylamon1
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        Sync and connect both have block instance options.

        BTW if you have blocked communities, that is account level and will travel with you when you install one of the other apps.

        I’m pretty sure instance locking is app based and not tied to your account.

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          Hm… not sure whether it’s app or account based, I think Mastodon has it as account based… or does it? 🤔

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    Yeah, I would continue using Liftoff and Voyager. Just because we have sync doesn’t mean we have to jump ship. I love getting involved with the community over at github.