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Was it exploding heads?
If you go to that instance, it’s gone. Once everyone defederated from them, I guess it was over. Good. They can keep that shit elsewhere.
Was it exploding heads?
Believe so. Fuck them though, they don’t even deserve to have their name written in the meme.
There was Wolfballs, which started out as a right-leaning free speech instance, but was obviously quickly overrun by trolls and fascists, so everyone defederated them and the owner decided to shut it down. As a result all the problematic people including the mods from Wolfballs moved to Exploding-Heads, which welcomed them with open arms despite also not being originally a pure right-wing instance. And yeah obviously they got defederated as well then…
I showed up right after the drama with their instance.
What was their deal?
They were nazis and had a shit ton of loli(pedophilia)
Ah, I kinda figured it was some far-right/Nazi junk, but yeah, pedos need to gtfo.
It was nazi and had fucking loli shit on it. That made LITERALLY every instance defederate. Even the ones that were neutral said fuck you to them.
finally some good news
Lemmy OC? And interesting?! That’s rare indeed.
Lol I love that SJW is listed as right wing for not explicitly being anticapitalist. Gave me a good laugh.
Yeah that last joke pulls the entire meme together.
Yeah, I hadn’t thought of political leanings when I signed up. I literally just googled for a list of instances, and the first instance that I successfully signed up with stuck. I tried .ml and .world first, but their signup pages were DoS’ed by the hoardes of redditors like myself fleeing when our apps died because of the api BS…
Can’t say that I regret my instance though. When ml and blahaj are going off on each other, I’ll grab some popcorn and sit back… But I’ve learned that you shouldn’t engage with a .ml community, and the mods on .world are probably the most like the power hungry cunts on reddit.
There’s quite some drama on [email protected] and [email protected] if you’re into that.
And that is why I take drama-mean.
Good attempt!
Where does the “likes data” come from for SJW?
Whenever I see the admins post, it’s always with charts and details that I don’t generally see (or at least, don’t generally notice) from other instances.
Let me introduce you to the monthly reports of lemmy.zip:
For a second there I thought there was a social justice warrior instance.
You have to write a paragraph about your chosen Social Justice class at signup. Social Justice Wizard best!
Makes [email protected] and [email protected] quite ironic
Just warriors on the other side? 😁
Social Injustice Warriors
CR1
CombatVideos and MeanwhileOnGrad help frame that irony.
…it’d be nice if communities could federate individually so the instances werent such flashpoints for prejudices.
“Social Justice Wizard needs food equity badly!”
This is a high quality comment. Source: am high
I’d rather be a Social Justice Warlock, where do I find my patron?
At least at the start, the instance was mostly networking and sysadmin nerds. During reddit’s APIocalypse, our admin started up the server and put up a detailed post about the hardware, infrastructure and benchmarking everything. Stuff like that is what drew me and many others to this instance.
First time I realised it has these initials. Is that on purpose?
My recollection of “the lore” is that the admin already owned “itjust.works” and thought “sh” would be a funny subdomain for hosting lemmy. I think the sjw initialism is just a coincidence.
I sense no bias in this meme
I suppose the fun starts trying to slot other instances in there.
So reply with an instance and thrash out it’s place on the graph.
SlrPnk.net is halfway between Dbzer0 and “left”.
Arguably dbzer0 would be a bit further towards the libertarian right, although still in the bottom left corner.
Would you not consider them to be ancom? (I can’t tell myself)
No, more like reasonable anarcho-individualists.
We’re primarily AnComs. I am for sure. I also disagree with your take on piracy. I look at it from the perspective of the end user, and I don’t consider that anyone should be excluded from culture just for not being able to afford it.
Well, maybe it was the anarcho-syndicalist in me speaking, but AnComs tend to be quite interested in the perspective of the producer and/or erasing the artificial bondary between producer and consumer. And culture is more than the mass produced mainstream culture that piracy enables access to.
I’m an AnSyn as well though. I just disagree that taking the liberal approach of respecting monopolistic laws like copyrights and patents when it is to benefit the petit bourgeoisie has any revolutionary potential. Sure I agree that everyone deserves to live, and those who are affluent enough to support other workers should do so, but they should try to bypass exploiting capitalist practices whenever possible. Just funding a small studio, so that they can become a successful capitalist later on, is counter productive. Therefore, claiming that respecting liberal market culture is somehow more AnCom, is baffling to me.
And whatever you think culture is, it still encompasses the parts which are behind a paywall. And if someone doesn’t have money to access them, I fully support them pirating it instead.
Really? I haven’t ventured too much there but I always assumed they were libertarian socialist type anarchism.
Have a look at [email protected] , it’s a general interest community for everyone
“Libertarian socialism” is quite a bit broader than “ancom” and there are plenty of anarcho-individualists that out of individualist considerations consider themselves socialists.
Lets take piracy as an example:
An ancom would likely argue that this is bad under the current circumstances and that the creators should be fairly compensated or rather have their needs covered so that they are free to make stuff. However they would likely also concede that piracy from large corporations would be somewhat ok as large privately owned corporations are a bad thing and thus don’t deserve any protection.
An anarcho-individualist would be likely in favour of piracy even under the current circumstances as it usually benefits the person pirating much more than it hurts the people working on the digital media, but maybe concede that you shouldn’t do it for small individual creators trying to make a living.
So you see that the final outcome isn’t that different, but an ancom would likely shy away from openly promoting piracy of digital media.
I’m ancom and one of the main admins for db0 is more anarcho-individualist based on this example.
I don’t care about pirating Hollywood blockbusters, I do care about generative AI stealing individual creators work with no compensation to ultimately put out garbage disguised as “art”.
That’s the big difference between myself and the admins of db0 is they’re pro AI and don’t believe at all in intellectual property even for individuals.
But I’m still there because it’s a dope instance and we can agree to disagree.
Wouldn’t an ancom not believe in ownership — and therefore think piracy is not inherently immoral? Obviously they believe in community distribution and mutual aid so they would believe that if people involved with the creation of those media were struggling they would help those people, but not necessarily through the proxy of buying the movie but through general mutual aid.
Authright - has an Emperor
Fair point.
Excellent! Although you might need to shift LW more fully into the blue if they decide to implement the Flat Earth proposal that they strongly tried to push a month ago, before as you say walking that back in response to the enormous outcry against it. Were they to continue though, that would radically shift the balance of everything across all of Lemmy if all of those community mods gave up and had to find new homes elsewhere.
Legitimately think that they simply did not think the proposal through. It was pretty nakedly an attempt to push back at radical echo-chamber communities, without understanding that rules cut both ways, and in the process of trying to justify and clarify it without being ‘ideological’, managed to just highlight how absurd the proposed rule was to begin with.
The two big problems with .world’s admins is that they’re very much amateurs (which is a hard thing to avoid in our scenario here), and that they, like many centrists, have trouble discerning where their ideology begins and ends. They feel the need to phrase things in ‘fair’ and non-discriminatory terms, but in doing so, often blunder into self-contradictory positions, because ultimately, discrimination (in the sense of discerning and marking) between views is what all rules are based on. The kind of “The law is the law” attitude that people who are accustomed to following, but not making, law, are prone to. One hopes that a mixture of experience and pushback will improve them, with time.
But yeah, had they implemented that, they’d go more auth and right, and I’d probably be packing up all my comms to go to another instance. Again.
I’m going to quote @[email protected] on their comment: https://lemmy.world/comment/14430767
This is like the third time LW tried to be front-and-center in deciding how conversations should happen on Lemmy. You are the most popular Lemmy instance and most content is on your instance. This isn’t an experimental safe space instance to dictate how social media should work. Please understand that any weirdly aggressive stances you take affects everyone.
This isn’t an experimental safe space instance to dictate how social media should work. Please understand that any weirdly aggressive stances you take affects everyone.
Yeah, basically. Which is why the pushback is important, and, though it reflects a serious paucity of understanding, it’s also good that they’re willing to retract in response to pushback.
They’re slow learners, and perhaps everyone is in a position of power, but we’ll see if we can teach them.
Do they even want to learn? Sometimes I see threads like this in [email protected], when they’re wrong, they double down on it, then a bunch of people tell them they are incorrect again, and they never answer: https://lemmy.world/comment/14411568
JordanLund is widely agreed to be a poor mod in terms of their inability to handle conflict, man. Don’t know what kind of response you’re looking for.
Just questioning that he’s still on the community team of the instance that hosts the vast majority of Lemmy: https://fedihosting.foundation/lw-team/#lw-group
It feels like every week there is a post about him on [email protected]
He isn’t the worst mod, but certainly has the biggest negative impact because of the communities he mods.
managed to just highlight how absurd the proposed rule was to begin with.
It was (unintentionally) the best thing they could do to show users it was a terrible blanket rule and also showed that they weren’t smart enough to notice it was a terrible idea before making it public.
I could see that. I legit thought it was a good proposal to suggest at least this part:
If they’re just saying something you don’t like, respectfully, and they’re not spamming it, use your words instead of your moderation abilities.
Edit: I was probably overstating the case - it could be good, I suppose? Then again, why not leave it to the mods to decide what they want for their own communities? Yet the instance admins should also have a say what kinds of communities exist on their instance, especially if legality of content is part of the issue. It’s definitely a balancing act no matter what.
Especially in light of some of the stuff that came before. But it definitely went off the deep end with the likes of:
We’re going to allow some “flat earth” comments. We’re going to force some moderators to accept some “flat earth” comments.
Woah, not the best choice of words there perhaps even if the concept itself was meant legitimately.
I would really hate to see the mods of e.g. [email protected] have to put up with crap like that, or as you said it’s more likely that they would simply step down as mods, and then hopefully migrate the community elsewhere. Unlike the debacle with 196, such a move there would be fully supported by the community members, in that case, I have zero doubts.
All you need to consider whether ‘just let people post and you have to accept it’ is a good idea is to think about the worst thing people could post. Flat earth was supposed to be an example of harmless stuff that was being koderated, but the blanket rule also applies to people promoting ‘age is just a number’ and ‘white people are superior’ and ‘[minority group] should be exterminated’.
They could have made it clear that you have to allow opposing views that don’t promote harm to others, but based on their response to the pushback I don’t think they thought that far ahead.
🤢🤮
Agreed.
I literally missed the whole kerfuffle and am very glad I did.
Pardon me while I lol
In your defense, it is freaking hilarious 😂
they, like many centrists, have trouble discerning where their ideology begins and ends.
I thought a centrist was someone between “Don’t be Stalin” and “Don’t be Hitler.”
We are discussing in a thread about the political compass, so even strictly going by the meaning of the word “centrist” it wouldn’t put you only on one axis in the authoritarian half.
But in reality a “centrist” is usually referring to someone in support of the status quo or at least someone that doesn’t want to rock the boat too hard. Where exactly that person falls in the ideological spectrum can vary widely between countries, and even if they are not outright conservative in their expressed opinions, the very act of preferring the status quo makes them structurally conservative.
I am not sure if that is the case anymore. In many countries, like the U.S., the left and right have moved, and the center is not really represented by any party anymore. And considering the economy and the problems they see in society, the center wants change these days, not the status quo.
That seems to be a case of mistakenly thinking “the center is where my believes are”.
In the US the Democracts are about as centrist and for the status quo as it gets.
There has been a power struggle in the Democratic Party, and the old guard that were centrists have largely been replaced by those who lean farther left. But both are still fighting over power within the party. In fact, one of the main complaints of Democratic voters is that their beliefs had not changed, but the Democrat Party moved farther and farther away from their beliefs.
I agree, in the sense that I think that a lot of Democrats are indeed centrists, and the Green Party is probably more consistent with what Europeans think is left.
But the current Democratic Party is not was it was 15 to 20 years ago, when it was a centrist, arguably corporatist party. It is not the party of Obama anymore. Now it is divided between corporatists and socialists. It would be inaccurate to call them status quo now, at least on the social end of things, considering all of the changes they are trying to embed into society.
Something like 80-95% of people on planet earth are centrists, so yeah.
Though to reactionaries on social media, it’s considered a pejorative term I suppose? Like people who dare to use something other than
ArchLinux, even if required to at work.We haven’t quite left behind the “enragement increases profits” mindset that we all were taught on Reddit, to allow for more nuancer POVs other than “oThEr SiDe BaD”. Meh, it’s human nature.
How would that place them in blue and not just yellow?
I dont think you get more freedom of speech when becoming more authoritarian
To be clear, I meant the blue of this compass, even though in many parts of the world it may differ, like in the USA red = maga while blue = liberal, but in the color scheme of this graphic those are reversed.
As for whether it would shift things more towards the yellow, I didn’t even really consider that option: LW was just already split between red and blue and I was saying that it would shift more towards the authoritarian side, as in conservatives would then be allowed to spout their talking points whereas right now most conservative opinions are silenced (bc the vast majority of us are simply tired of hearing them spouted not in a good faith manner). But yeah I suppose it would also shift it in the libertarian axis as well.
The heckler’s veto is not freedom.
There are a lot of groups which coordinate spreading of lies to shout down others and deter others from contributing, firehose of falsehood style, and allowing that does not contribute to free speech. It does not support sharing facts, it doesn’t support healthy conversation, it doesn’t help anybody learn or discover the truth. Allowing conspiracy theories and nonsense like that is a net negative.
You need moderators who are focused on making sure people feel free to join in good faith.
Does it matter if its a net negative?
Misinformation by the people is not specific to authoritarianism
Flat earth? Were they trolling or really believed that stuff? A lot of flat earthers are just trolls that don’t even believe what they are posting. They’re just trying to get a reaction.
Have a look yourself: https://lemmy.world/post/24135976
Interesting. So, basically allowing both.
It is good to have open discourse, but generally with things like this, the most vocal and active people determine what is acceptable or not. Rules or not, when everyone in a community disagrees with someone, most people go somewhere else sooner or later. Unless they are a troll or evangelist or masochist.
Open discussion can work in some communities, but there has to be a mutual interesting in finding the truth. If, instead, everyone is out to promote their agenda, it does not work so well.
Well this game a few solid chuckles…
the money shot:
“not explicitly anti-capitalist” is the furthers right you can get on lemmy
Yas hehe
YARR!
Do what you want cause a pirate be free, YOU ARE A PIRATE
I’m just here for the paws.
I think it’s even funnier that we hand out labels right at the ticket stand to lemmy and turn around to say that labeling people based on norms is bad.
Someone needs to make a comic, you can’t even make this shit up. Sign up for your next stake burning at a server near you.
Kanye West got a lemmy instance??
I’m a chill guy, I lowkey don’t give a shit.
Based and not giving a shit pilled.
Hey, I am not Right. I am anarchist.
