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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/25427659
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Kanye West got a lemmy instance??
Lol I love that SJW is listed as right wing for not explicitly being anticapitalist. Gave me a good laugh.
I strayed into dbzero without knowing what it was. Took me a few minutes of feeling like I was in the Twilight Zone before realizing they were all Libertarians and had a good laugh at myself for accidentally taking them seriously.
I sense no bias in this meme
Was it exploding heads?
If you go to that instance, it’s gone. Once everyone defederated from them, I guess it was over. Good. They can keep that shit elsewhere.
finally some good news
It was nazi and had fucking loli shit on it. That made LITERALLY every instance defederate. Even the ones that were neutral said fuck you to them.
Was it exploding heads?
Believe so. Fuck them though, they don’t even deserve to have their name written in the meme.
I showed up right after the drama with their instance.
What was their deal?
They were nazis and had a shit ton of loli(pedophilia)
Lemmy OC? And interesting?! That’s rare indeed.
I suppose the fun starts trying to slot other instances in there.
So reply with an instance and thrash out it’s place on the graph.
SlrPnk.net is halfway between Dbzer0 and “left”.
Arguably dbzer0 would be a bit further towards the libertarian right, although still in the bottom left corner.
Would you not consider them to be ancom? (I can’t tell myself)
No, more like reasonable anarcho-individualists.
Really? I haven’t ventured too much there but I always assumed they were libertarian socialist type anarchism.
“Libertarian socialism” is quite a bit broader than “ancom” and there are plenty of anarcho-individualists that out of individualist considerations consider themselves socialists.
Lets take piracy as an example:
An ancom would likely argue that this is bad under the current circumstances and that the creators should be fairly compensated or rather have their needs covered so that they are free to make stuff. However they would likely also concede that piracy from large corporations would be somewhat ok as large privately owned corporations are a bad thing and thus don’t deserve any protection.
An anarcho-individualist would be likely in favour of piracy even under the current circumstances as it usually benefits the person pirating much more than it hurts the people working on the digital media, but maybe concede that you shouldn’t do it for small individual creators trying to make a living.
So you see that the final outcome isn’t that different, but an ancom would likely shy away from openly promoting piracy of digital media.
Have a look at [email protected] , it’s a general interest community for everyone
Authright - has an Emperor
Fair point.
Excellent! Although you might need to shift LW more fully into the blue if they decide to implement the Flat Earth proposal that they strongly tried to push a month ago, before as you say walking that back in response to the enormous outcry against it. Were they to continue though, that would radically shift the balance of everything across all of Lemmy if all of those community mods gave up and had to find new homes elsewhere.
How would that place them in blue and not just yellow?
I dont think you get more freedom of speech when becoming more authoritarian
To be clear, I meant the blue of this compass, even though in many parts of the world it may differ, like in the USA red = maga while blue = liberal, but in the color scheme of this graphic those are reversed.
As for whether it would shift things more towards the yellow, I didn’t even really consider that option: LW was just already split between red and blue and I was saying that it would shift more towards the authoritarian side, as in conservatives would then be allowed to spout their talking points whereas right now most conservative opinions are silenced (bc the vast majority of us are simply tired of hearing them spouted not in a good faith manner). But yeah I suppose it would also shift it in the libertarian axis as well.
Legitimately think that they simply did not think the proposal through. It was pretty nakedly an attempt to push back at radical echo-chamber communities, without understanding that rules cut both ways, and in the process of trying to justify and clarify it without being ‘ideological’, managed to just highlight how absurd the proposed rule was to begin with.
The two big problems with .world’s admins is that they’re very much amateurs (which is a hard thing to avoid in our scenario here), and that they, like many centrists, have trouble discerning where their ideology begins and ends. They feel the need to phrase things in ‘fair’ and non-discriminatory terms, but in doing so, often blunder into self-contradictory positions, because ultimately, discrimination (in the sense of discerning and marking) between views is what all rules are based on. The kind of “The law is the law” attitude that people who are accustomed to following, but not making, law, are prone to. One hopes that a mixture of experience and pushback will improve them, with time.
But yeah, had they implemented that, they’d go more auth and right, and I’d probably be packing up all my comms to go to another instance. Again.
I’m going to quote @[email protected] on their comment: https://lemmy.world/comment/14430767
This is like the third time LW tried to be front-and-center in deciding how conversations should happen on Lemmy. You are the most popular Lemmy instance and most content is on your instance. This isn’t an experimental safe space instance to dictate how social media should work. Please understand that any weirdly aggressive stances you take affects everyone.
This isn’t an experimental safe space instance to dictate how social media should work. Please understand that any weirdly aggressive stances you take affects everyone.
Yeah, basically. Which is why the pushback is important, and, though it reflects a serious paucity of understanding, it’s also good that they’re willing to retract in response to pushback.
They’re slow learners, and perhaps everyone is in a position of power, but we’ll see if we can teach them.
Do they even want to learn? Sometimes I see threads like this in [email protected], when they’re wrong, they double down on it, then a bunch of people tell them they are incorrect again, and they never answer: https://lemmy.world/comment/14411568
JordanLund is widely agreed to be a poor mod in terms of their inability to handle conflict, man. Don’t know what kind of response you’re looking for.
Just questioning that he’s still on the community team of the instance that hosts the vast majority of Lemmy: https://fedihosting.foundation/lw-team/#lw-group
It feels like every week there is a post about him on [email protected]
He isn’t the worst mod, but certainly has the biggest negative impact because of the communities he mods.
they, like many centrists, have trouble discerning where their ideology begins and ends.
I thought a centrist was someone between “Don’t be Stalin” and “Don’t be Hitler.”
Something like 80-95% of people on planet earth are centrists, so yeah.
Though to reactionaries on social media, it’s considered a pejorative term I suppose? Like people who dare to use something other than
ArchLinux, even if required to at work.We haven’t quite left behind the “enragement increases profits” mindset that we all were taught on Reddit, to allow for more nuancer POVs other than “oThEr SiDe BaD”. Meh, it’s human nature.
managed to just highlight how absurd the proposed rule was to begin with.
It was (unintentionally) the best thing they could do to show users it was a terrible blanket rule and also showed that they weren’t smart enough to notice it was a terrible idea before making it public.
I could see that. I legit thought it was a good proposal to suggest at least this part:
If they’re just saying something you don’t like, respectfully, and they’re not spamming it, use your words instead of your moderation abilities.
Edit: I was probably overstating the case - it could be good, I suppose? Then again, why not leave it to the mods to decide what they want for their own communities? Yet the instance admins should also have a say what kinds of communities exist on their instance, especially if legality of content is part of the issue. It’s definitely a balancing act no matter what.
Especially in light of some of the stuff that came before. But it definitely went off the deep end with the likes of:
We’re going to allow some “flat earth” comments. We’re going to force some moderators to accept some “flat earth” comments.
Woah, not the best choice of words there perhaps even if the concept itself was meant legitimately.
I would really hate to see the mods of e.g. [email protected] have to put up with crap like that, or as you said it’s more likely that they would simply step down as mods, and then hopefully migrate the community elsewhere. Unlike the debacle with 196, such a move there would be fully supported by the community members, in that case, I have zero doubts.
All you need to consider whether ‘just let people post and you have to accept it’ is a good idea is to think about the worst thing people could post. Flat earth was supposed to be an example of harmless stuff that was being koderated, but the blanket rule also applies to people promoting ‘age is just a number’ and ‘white people are superior’ and ‘[minority group] should be exterminated’.
They could have made it clear that you have to allow opposing views that don’t promote harm to others, but based on their response to the pushback I don’t think they thought that far ahead.
🤢🤮
Agreed.
I literally missed the whole kerfuffle and am very glad I did.
Pardon me while I lol
In your defense, it is freaking hilarious 😂
Flat earth? Were they trolling or really believed that stuff? A lot of flat earthers are just trolls that don’t even believe what they are posting. They’re just trying to get a reaction.
Have a look yourself: https://lemmy.world/post/24135976
Interesting. So, basically allowing both.
It is good to have open discourse, but generally with things like this, the most vocal and active people determine what is acceptable or not. Rules or not, when everyone in a community disagrees with someone, most people go somewhere else sooner or later. Unless they are a troll or evangelist or masochist.
Open discussion can work in some communities, but there has to be a mutual interesting in finding the truth. If, instead, everyone is out to promote their agenda, it does not work so well.
Good attempt!
Where does the “likes data” come from for SJW?
At least at the start, the instance was mostly networking and sysadmin nerds. During reddit’s APIocalypse, our admin started up the server and put up a detailed post about the hardware, infrastructure and benchmarking everything. Stuff like that is what drew me and many others to this instance.
For a second there I thought there was a social justice warrior instance.
You have to write a paragraph about your chosen Social Justice class at signup. Social Justice Wizard best!
Makes [email protected] and [email protected] quite ironic
Just warriors on the other side? 😁
Social Injustice Warriors
CR1
CombatVideos and MeanwhileOnGrad help frame that irony.
…it’d be nice if communities could federate individually so the instances werent such flashpoints for prejudices.
“Social Justice Wizard needs food equity badly!”
Whenever I see the admins post, it’s always with charts and details that I don’t generally see (or at least, don’t generally notice) from other instances.
Let me introduce you to the monthly reports of lemmy.zip:
First time I realised it has these initials. Is that on purpose?
My recollection of “the lore” is that the admin already owned “itjust.works” and thought “sh” would be a funny subdomain for hosting lemmy. I think the sjw initialism is just a coincidence.
YARR!
