Wait, what are the numbers? I gotta see this. I heard that the USSR deported 100 million or something, I gotta see this.
Will return.
It turns out the USSR only deported 6m, while Trump plans to deport 11m after already deporting 2m. So the Soviets are out-deported by seven million.
Not sure the reason for the lie but according to ICE statistics Trump deported 975K during his first term while Biden deported 545K.
Dhs says trump did under 2 million and Biden over 3. https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration/immigration-enforcement/immigration-enforcement-and-legal-processes-monthly
Ice only carries out a portion of American deportations , but more to the point they have a vested interest in supporting Trump’s political strategy of talking big about deportations and not actually needing to follow up on it just funneling money to them.
Obviously. it’s it’s like practically disingenuous to just look up an ice statistic and immediately check out your brain.
So… your point is that Trump is not a problem? Or are you saying that the acceleration of the destruction of a country which 340 million people rely on is a good thing?
Or is there some other intent to your post that isn’t part of the above things I mentioned?
I think he’s saying America has always been a problem. Trump is just competing to make it worse. I’m inclined to agree.
America’s troubles didn’t start with Trump, and the way the rest of the world regards the US also didn’t start with him.
So… your point is that Trump is not a problem
Trump is just the latest problem
Or are you saying that the acceleration of the destruction of a country which 340 million people rely on is a good thing?
Do better or die seem like good terms to me
So no care for the harm suffered by those who are victims of America’s decline?
I’m more sympathetic to victims of its rise than its decline.
340 million people rely on is a good thing?
It’s like asking the germanics if the fall of the Roman empire was a good thing. HELL YEAH, as a modern day Germanic to the Americas Roman empire. Heck yeah I wanna see them fall and collapse into absolutely brutality. Your nation runs off the destruction and exploitation of hundreds of millions of people.
I honestly do think I see where you’re coming from but my follow-up question is then which country(ies) on this planet ought not to be destroyed? Are you of the opinion that all systems built off the backs of suffering should end or just certain ones that have crossed a threshold?
Personally anger aside I think no nation should be destroyed be rather cut up into more reasonable nation groups. America could be 4+ nations, many of Africa’s and Asia’s borders are superficial borders often created by western power and id dismantle rogue states into new new nations or new reformed government. America, Israel, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, North Korea, Russia, china.
Certain nations be dismantled or changed would also have knock on global effects such as America and russia being dismantled would also dismantle many of their backed regimes within a lifetime or two. Looking at Israel and Belarus as examples
I do believe not all systems are built off the back of suffering and some are, but even those that aren’t built off of suffering can be exploited to ensure suffering and power capitulation
Cascadian here, we will protect each other
Throw in the collapse of the fascist government of Russia, and the oppressive state capitalists of China and you have a deal.
People helping people. Not nations helping themselves.
I could agree to that. America and Russia need to be divided into reasonable nation states and china needs to release all non Han Chinese core provinces and needs a completely new government. While we’re at it France and Britain need some severe humbling
French here. We need to let go of and pay formal reparations to our ex and current de facto colonies.
I don’t see why we should divide China, Russia, and the USA. I agree they need to be reworked from the ground up. But I’d be curious as to why they should be split up?
China doesn’t need to be divided, that’s historic mostly historic Chinese land bar the extremities like xinyang. Russia and America are huge and don’t often make sense as one nation. America would be better off if split between more reasonable nations like a west coast nation, the deep south and the east coast.
Russia is already internally split into republic and I understand they have all that land to defend their eastern border but still
What would the numbers be for both, the people imprisoned per year and those sent to labour camps for Soviet Union during the lifetime
OK so this is a really old one. It is referencing the late 90s and early 2000s when the US made about 15 million arrests a year. I want to say that number is about half that now. And yeah, 15 mil, that’s about how many people that Stalin Gulag-ed in his lifetime. I don’t really know about it since then, but it’s not like any of the people who talk to me about it do either so . But yeah thanks for calling me on it. It’s important to check on stuff like this and it and it is like a statistics thing. It is kind of just to tweak your perspective to be like hey you know maybe some of the stuff that we’ve taken as a given about the US could deserve a second look and maybe some context.
But yeah, for this particular one like carceral state aspect. I really really don’t think the US gets compared to Stalin Russia nearly fucking enough. I don’t know I might develop this at some point or something because yeah the US is kind of like what happens when a democracy tries to do a cult of personality for like money. there’s the whole protestant aspect as well. I don’t know 🤷♂️ that might be a good fit for me.
OK so the relevant context for why arrests can be so dramatically high but the number of incarcerated people peaked at 2.3 million is first off turnover like it’s it’s not the same 2.3 million people something like a quarter million or more or the same people, but the rest of it is constantly turning over they are constantly bringing in new bodies into the system and recycling them out into the second part of the system. Which is my larger point of the actual number of people on probation and parole, who have severely restricted status in every aspect of life is more than 5 million and has been this entire time.
The probation system where people are living with reduced rights under threat of imprisonment, and the parole system, which is the same thing, but even more severe where they were already in prison and have since been released, but they can be sent back at any time for virtually any infraction. That class of people is fucking enormous. It’s something like one in every 25 men in the country is in that system right now and it’s been that way for the last 25 years.
Like, the neighborhood I grew up in, and I’d say about 2/3 of every neighborhood I’ve ever lived in as an adult, about 1/5 to 1/2 of the male population is on criminal probation or prison release on parole. You can you can look at some of these communities in the United States where you know you look at the quality of life and you’re like wow this is so bad. It’s so incredibly bad. Why don’t they just leave and more often than not you’ll find the reason why is because entire swath of the working population are Directly barred from interstate movement by the criminal justice system in the United States.
Yes this is all normal
The difference is that Obama and Biden had more time. Trump is a month into the job and fucking up shit on an epic level.
OP is also a Russian troll so of course they agitate. Don’t feed the troll.
I really wish whomever made this got to sit down with my old boss Sasha while he explained the difference between the systems. Sasha did time in a gulag. The only reason he had while serving time was because he was Jewish. As he explained to me “At least in the USA when they imprison you they at least create bullshit charges so you know why you’re there”
I find the honesty better, tbh. Most of those prisoners are in there because they’re black and strong, not because of drugs or whatever. We’d have an easier time convincing people that the system needs reforming if it wasn’t deceitful.
Most of the people in the US prison system did in fact break the law. if you ever work with prisoners they will be clear about this. Very few people are there for no reason whatsoever.
Okay let me be clearer: I am saying that I think most drugs are only illegal in the US for the express purpose of giving the state an excuse to incarcerate black men
I agree with that but that’s not the majority of prisoners and even quite a few of those that are in for drugs typically aren’t in for small time amounts.
And I’m sure the punishment was proportional to the crime, especially for breaking such laws as vagrancy due to being poor.
If you are going to comment please understand the difference between jail and prison. No one is in prison for vagrancy.
If you are going to comment
Stop me
No one is in prison for vagrancy.
Perhaps not, but merely an arrest record lowers your chances for gainful employment, jail time doesn’t help either. The more desperate or miserable you can make someone, the more you can increase their chances of turning to more serious crime as a way out.
Prison psychologists are very clear on this. Once you accept your own guilt you
are no longer a threat to the system.
#bothSides.
