Summary
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez criticized Trump’s border czar, Tom Homan, after he suggested her “Know Your Rights with ICE” webinar could be illegal.
The event informed immigrants about their rights during ICE raids. Homan claimed the webinar might impede immigration enforcement and said he was working with the DOJ to determine legal action.
AOC dismissed his remarks, stating, “Maybe he can learn to read. The Constitution would be a good place to start.”
She continues to oppose Trump’s immigration policies, including efforts to revoke birthright citizenship.
conservatism is a disease that untreated will often develop into fascism
I would say conservatism unchallenged vigorously transforms into fascism.
Same for liberals
sAmE wItH liBrUlS
AOC 2028
AOC for Speaker! Congress needs fixing too.
The Dems definitely need someone with a bite in that position. AOC would be a good choice, indeed.
Today, yeah, I’ll push my rep to vote for her in 2026. Goodness knows he won’t be…
Dems would need a majority first. Then they’d have to agree to get rid of Jeffries (who has only been Minority Leader at this point and unlikely to let go without a fight).
I swear, this site is full of people who have no fucking clue how US politics works in the real world.
I want a sandwich! Fuck, that would mean I would have to go get bread, cheese and other fixings. Guess I can’t have a sandwich because I know how making lunch works in the real world.
No, it would be more like “I want a sandwich, but I have no idea what a sandwich actually is”
More like Dems need to stop self sabotaging themselves for fear of not appeasing their corporate masters. Everytime a good dem candidate that is actually for the people gets popular they get ousted because they are actually “left” not center right.
I’d take democratic any day though compared to hard Reich maga shitheads
She could be minority leader though
“I swear, this site is full of people who have no fucking clue how US politics works in the real world.”
My take away is that non-USians seem to understand politics better; generally. I know that’s a gross generalisation but the amount of US people who think “team blue” is both liberal and left wing is just sad…
Its true a lot of us arent the most politically educated, but that ones not an example. “Liberal” in an American context is usually referring to social liberalism, not economic. Using it in an economic sense doesnt make sense in a country where public healthcare is on the furthest left end of the overton window
But on the WORLD wide web nobody should default to one country’s erroneous understanding of a word.
Let me tell you how this little game works in the real world.
Since you mention “Dems would need a majority first”. That is a large part of the act. These ‘progressives’ will criticise, oppose and more virtue signaling without doing anything. They propose bills knowing they will never pass. When they control everything, they simply stop proposing them. When they have to vote, they tow the party line. At least some eyes were opened when she endorsed Biden’s genocide. (Not the first time she defended US/zionist warcrimes OC) She will cry “concentration camps” when Trump opens child immigrant dentention facilities. But when Joe opens them, suddenly she calls them “influx facilities”.
When they control everything, they simply stop proposing them. When they have to vote, they tow the party line.
And this is based on…?
Right you just made it up.
Great way to win arguments, you answer your own questions with the answers that suits you.
1000%
i’m ready.
even have some (unofficial) campaign gear.
That took me entirely too long. I had to question why the hell you took a picture of your computer looking at this post. Presumably from your phone, which you presumably uploaded the picture from, instead of just taking a screenshot.
This is one of those rare examples that would’ve actually benefited from a red circle.
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It’s the “AOC” brand monitor.
I’m still lost, care to spell it out for me?
Look at the monitor brand. Took me a minute to catch it too
Thanks 😁
I don’t like genocide supporters. Or kids in jail. Or union- strike busters Warmongers and regime chance advocats.
Ideally sooner, but I support this. Hells yeah AOC!
I have a hunch she’ll be in prison before that happens.
You can run from Prison
It’s what Trump would do.
LOL
Are they seriously using Czar as an official title?
Fuck she’s cool
She’s fake AF. Larping as leftist.
You larp at being worthy of expressing an opinion.
Who tF asked you? I really don’t like hypocrite liars that do their little act, then vote for genocide, strike busting, kids in cages when the fascist light party of which she is part of does it. Go cry somewhere else. I will shit on this despicable larper any chance I get. Maybe some people, unlike yourself with your head up your ass, will learn something.
Who tF asked you?
First day online? You see, when you post on an open forum, you are implicitly asking anyone who bothers to read. Confusing I know, but you’ll figure it out in no time.
Larper? One of the few people ive seen with the balls to speak up to power. Congress should be taking notes
Exactly: speak Talk the talk, not walk the walk
Are you high?
Thought you were Belgian? Why are you weighing in on american politics? 🤔
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How can the “free speech” party so consistently get it wrong when it comes to the First Amendment?
“the law only applies when and where and how we say it does”
“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
source: https://crookedtimber.org/2018/03/21/liberals-against-progressives/#comment-729288
i don’t necessarily agree with the entirety of the comment but it is an interesting one to read nonetheless. the last sentence is also very quotable:
The law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone; and it cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.
Free speech is a code for hate speech. It really is that simple.
Yeah it’s “I want people to stop acting like I’m a jerk when I say mean things”, “but I also want them to not be able to say mean things about me, cuz that isn’t fair to me”. And yes, it should sound like a toddler having a temper tantrum. Including a complete misunderstanding of the entire concept of fairness.
Ahh…see…there’s the rub…your answer is literally the first word of the first amendment.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances
Congress ain’t doing shit. Executive unitary theory means the Constitution is about as legally binding as a Dear Abby letter.
She needs to keep going. She needs to speak to them the same way they speak to everyone else. She needs to use every bit of her position to mother fuck these cowards at every turn. Call them out, and show their ignorance every single fucking time and in every single fucking forum.
She needs to demand her coworkers do the same. She needs to shame them when they don’t or when they compromise. The time for pleasantries is long past.
If she does, others will follow, but it will be dangerous, so I understand if she just keeps doing what she is doing. It is at least miles more than most of them.
Bla bla bla, man shouts at clouds, but no one listens.
You’re right. She’s the only one or at most one of less than a handful of Democrats that are actually DOING something with their platform to resist the fascists, rather than just doing rousing speeches for the cameras, fundraising emails and fuckall else.
If the Dem leadership were more like her, even if they retained the same crappy Neoliberal policy positions, things would never have gotten anywhere near this bad in the first place.
What happened to the immigrants they were hauling off to Guantánamo Bay? Has there been an update on that?
It’s AOC with the steel chair!
My god, the pressure she is experiencing right now…
She and Bernie are carrying the entire weight of the opposition party and therefore the future of the country. I don’t envy them.
I stand with them
Politically I’m pretty moderate but I have a huge amount of respect for AOC and the way she spurs debate and brings important issues into focus.
So you are saying her positions are appealing to moderates?
You’d have to poll moderates to make that claim. Personally, I’d want to go through policy by policy to see what I support.
I’ve always wonder why the US uses a title from Imperial Russia to refer to the heads of special activity like drug czar and border czar. No seriously, any ideas why?
It’s a term that indicates a leader, and its origins are thousands of years before imperial Russia.
It’s a derivative of the Latin “Caesar”, and many cultures have used the term (or its derivatives) to indicate a leader. Pre-Weimar Germany was led by the Kaiser, a German adaptation of the title.
Right, but its specifically a slavic/russian derivation of the word ceasar.
It’s also the shortest and most easily recognizable, which is most likely why it caught on. The fact that it’s a Russian/Slavic derivative is probably just coincidence.
All because of Julie’s parents….
This is relatively new, it started with Obama I believe. It was sort of a joke that went non-ironic at some point.
No it started under Bush Jr. with the Drug Czar position.
That’s right, I remember that now…
Well before that. I was going to say Reagan, but that’s wrong too
Damn, I wasn’t aware of that at all. The war on drugs really fucked this country up.
It started with bush and 911 ask him and Andy card
It’s one of those projecting things the conservatives like to do. It’s stupid, and needs to stop imo.
It’s an unofficial title given to those empowered to make broad decisions for US, UK, and even Canadian policy.
still weird, and still tied to a bloodstained legacy for many americans of eastern european legacy
That’s part of the reason. It used to be done as a reminder to use the power responsibly.
In the US, it has somehow morphed into something more literal.
I don’t disagree.
I always assumed it was derogatory because I only heard it used on Fox News* in reference to Democratic cabinet members.
*Not watching it voluntarily, my idiot parent has hearing loss and has the TV on full volume whenever I visit. The Fox logo is literally burned into the TV.
don’t start a war of words with someone infinitely more intelligent than you are, mr homan.
His name sounds like he’s a ferengi from star trek. “Listen here, female hoo-man”. Kinda makes sense, they are like ferengi.
Likely can’t read the Constitution because they can’t read cursive.
MAGA, “what is this, Arabic? This is America! Write in English.”
Maybe AOC should tell her illegal aliens in her district on how to legally enter the country rather than to hide from ICE
Get the fuck out of here. AOC has been the only politician that I truly believe is fighting for the american people.
Fighting for the illegal aliens, maybe.
If they are already in the country then it would be pointless to describe how to enter the country.
That’s where Tom Homan comes in
The guy who brought the war crime of parental separation from children to US policy. Why do you think that ruining children’s lives, who would otherwise be raised in families, cared for and loved, literal babies torn from their mother’s breast, is a good thing? And for what? Money? This policy is the most expensive way of doing anything, and removing immigration negatively impacts the country both as a collective and as per capita, so it’s purely just ideological cruelty on an arbitrary group of people.
Secondly, the guy is a proven outright liar, who frequently quotes false and made up statistics, loves to joke about women getting raped, and regularly collaborates with listed hate groups.
Why not appoint a competent, truthful person who truly cares about helping America than someone actively trying to hurt both America and Americans?
Illegal aliens aren’t Americans, and should have sought legal ports of entry.
Family separations started under President Obama as well.it is not a war crime, as we’re not at war, however it is framed that way. It’s more of a crime to traffick kids to another country, is it not? To endanger their lives trekking across a desert, wading through a river and climbing an 18 ft wall when all they had to do was walk to a point of entry?
You care more about these illegal aliens than the starving homeless American kids and then wonder why there’s divisiveness in our country.
In case you’re deliberately missing the point, they’ve been going after illegal aliens with a criminal history, and you can’t blame Trump when they make bad decisions.
Jokes about women getting raped? So Laken Riley was a joke to you? Did you purposely miss the point just because you hate Trump so much? Is it ok for people to break our laws just out of your disdain for Trump?
illegal aliens aren’t Americans
not my point. I meant hurt Americans by increasing food and cost of living expenses, reduction in farming workforce, loss of tax revenue meaning increased taxes on the poorest
edit: not to mention the social cost of witnessing raids, which are generally pretty unpopular when witnessed in person or to someone you know
“started under Obama”
by the very self same person you just lauded as doing good thing
“it’s not a war crime because we’re not at war”
we are at war. America has been at war 228 out of 245 years (in before “its only congress that can declare war and they haven’t done that since ww2!” so the war in Iraq was not a war etc)
But also, the technical definition of war does not mean destroying families is suddenly a good thing lol
it’s more of a crime to traffick kids
That’s not what human trafficking is, and it’s disingenuous to suggest it is. And the solution to human trafficking is not to further traffick the victims, which is the solution here.
trekking across a desert… climbing a wall
this is a fantasy and for the most part is statistically insignificant to illegal immigration. Most people drive or fly into America, and do so legally. The illegal part occurs when their paperwork expires and, as you can imagine, it is then incredibly difficult to a) reup or b) remove persons for both sides. It’s hard for the person in question because of all the barriers to entry, but also they moved to the US legitimately, and now the barriers exist only to make continued life more difficult, further compounding the situation; and, it’s hard for the government because there simply isn’t the resources to track expiry dates let alone action deportation on the back of them.
you care more about x than y
How do you know what I care about? This conversation does not have the scope to list and stack rank an exhaustive list of all the things I care about, but you are welcome to go first.
Secondly, many of the starving homeless Americans are children of 1stG immigrants, whose lives are made worse by these policies.
Laken Riley is a joke to you?
A) when did I say that?
b) Google the numbers on who commits more violent crime - spoiler not only do immigrants commit less crime, and less severe types, but they also have an effect of reducing crime amongst Americans in their community
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Maybe you shouldn’t feed the extremely obvious troll.
I just blocked the piece of excrement pretending to be a person.
Yeah! At the local monthly illegal alien meeting! Durrr.
Here’s a question for you, if we have a 4th amendment, why do we have to deal with cops just knocking on doors asking for papers without a warrant? My time has no value? Can I bill them my hourly consultant rate?
Durrrr don’t rape and kill when you’re an illegal alien and maybe Tom Homan won’t find you. DURRR
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I hate the snidey childish way politicians talk.
yeah what a shitty theater it all is.
Yeah repubs love it though
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You didn’t realize that invoking a stereotype based around someone’s race is racist?
Lol. So hard to keep up with the trends these days. It’s a mine field. First the n-word, then blackface and now this… What’s next?! /s
Yeah I didn’t. Thought only negative ones are seen as such. Again, my bad, but at least I learned something lol
This is borderline racist.
no it’s overt. report it.
Fuck off Nazi.
Don’t be sorry. Culture is being killed till we’re all the same. Just blend in. The new normal is bland and emotionless.
So he was the cool guy as Obama’s border czar, but the bad guy when keeping the same policies under Trump?
He wasn’t in command of ICE under Obama. He was just commended for being a good employee under Obama. Trump made him a “border czar” (whatever the fuck that means). He apparently chaffed under the Obama administration’s more lax policies when it came to border security and is much happier under Trump. Clearly to the detriment of everyone who isn’t white.
maybe he got brain worms too
