cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/56591279

Swedish government wants a back door in signal for police and ‘Säpo’ (Swedish federation that checks for spies)

Let’s say that this becomes a law and Signal decides to withdraw from Sweden as they clearly state that they won’t implement a back door; would a citizen within the country still be able to use and access Signals services? Assuming that google play services probably would remove the Signal app within Sweden (which I also don’t use)

I just want the government to go f*ck themselves, y’know?

  • @[email protected]
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    134 minutes ago

    If privacy will be taken from ordinary citizens, only criminals will enjoy true privacy.

  • @NegativeLookBehind
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    83 hours ago

    I like you Sweden but you can go fuck yourself in this particular scenario

  • MaggiWuerze
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    42 hours ago

    You can just install the app from apk if that should happen

    • @[email protected]
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      128 minutes ago

      Ah good, it had become to easy to convince my friends to let me message them on Signal.

    • @[email protected]
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      42 hours ago

      Signal has already said they’d “leave Sweden first”.

      But what does that mean today, when the Internet is non-local, and I can run my own VPN with Wireguard or Tailscale?

      • MaggiWuerze
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        32 hours ago

        That just means they don’t offer their service there officially and don’t offer support

      • @[email protected]
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        2 hours ago

        But what does that mean today

        The first thing you need to understand is: if any government is demanding a back door to a messenger in the name of law enforcement, they are lying. It is simple as that.

        Everybody spending more than 10 seconds on the subject knows that there are hundreds of alternatives out there. And somebody actually needing a way to keep illegal activities hidden will just switch over to something else.

        There is only one reason to push for such an idea (and always for the popular messenger options of course): Wanting to surveil ordinary citizens that don’t think much about which platform they use. Because everyone else will be gone from the platform in the blink of an eye.

        So this means exactly nothing for you if you want to keep using Signal. Because they won’t stop you and they won’t care. You are not the target if you actually think about consequences. They aim at the majority that will just move on to the next popular mainstream option over time once Signal isn’t available in the domestic app store anymore… hopefully (or not… depending on your perspective) to an option that will not resist demands for an backdoor when the time comes.

  • @[email protected]
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    12 hours ago

    Signal’s encryption was great. Still, for some years now they are not 100% open source and they still advertise themselves as open source.