If they lose everything after, the court has little power. They can just change the laws. As it stands, the court has lots of power as they struggle to change laws with house and presidency changing back and forth.
A true rival conservative party, one not devoted to religion, could break through if one existed. I do think the shift is actually left and progressives will form the next second party and the Democratic Party will be the moderate / right party in the future.
Yeah, there’s room for something like the republicans were as the Whigs collapsed to rise, but if not there will likely be a democratic splinter into something like a labor/progressive party.
I think Gen Z would like that, but it will be a tough road. The GOP looks to die with Boomers and it won’t be replaced. Libratarians might get MAGA, but it will continue to be a third party.
I’ve been planted in the center for a long time, but an anti business left is growing. I personally don’t see long term success, I do see young support for breaking things up.
they’ve been ready for him; that’s why most republicans very publicly kiss his ass; all in the hopes that they don’t draw ire when he is inevitably made ineligible to run.
these engagements always go the same way, so here’s a copy/paste from somewhere else:
since you’re clearly digging in your heels; i’m going to try to undercut your next arguments since they are always the same three from the deeply ignorant liberal crowd:
biden recently defended his decisions on all three plus multiple more shitty decisions; so it doesn’t matter how long ago he said it or made those laws.
biden refused to change his mind all the way up until his presidential campaign and has a solid history of changing his mind but only once it becomes politically convenient for him; so he didn’t “evolve” or get better, he just knows that trump is weaker on this topic and uses your ignorance about his past of truly horrific anti-lgbtq/black/poor history to get your vote.
Additionally: no, dunking on gays for easy politically points in the past wasn’t popular, many politicians (eg bernie sanders) never did it.
his beliefs are the reason why he’s not bothering to improve anything, especially on the student loan debt. also: yes there are many things he can do even though congress is trying to block him; but he won’t do it no matter what. (google these too)
“For Republicans, the only hope is that when Trump is on the ballot in 2024 … he will turn out rural voters at a rate that overwhelms that phenomenon. It’s certainly possible,” the source said.
Isn’t it funny that the only “hope” for Republicans is to re-install a vile, amoral, nepotistic, habitually-lying, tax-cheating, proudly-ignorant, racist, fascist, rapist con-man who tried to overthrow the government?
I’ve successfully repressed many of my Trump-era political memories.
Can anyone tell me how Republicans went from “we’ll be destroyed and we’ll deserve it” to “unggh, Daddy Trump, destroy me harder” between 2016 and 2017?
Because the Trump cult got emboldened after Trump won in 2016, and it quickly became clear that any Republican that wasn’t sufficiently “unggh, Daddy Trump, destroy me harder” would get primaried by someone that was. Kiss the ring or be excommunicated.
It’s hard to feel sympathetic for them about it though, the spent the previous 20+ years paying lip service to types of people who make up the Trump cult because they were convenient for winning elections. They just never expected those people would do anything besides vote in the most respectable business-friendly Republican. Leopards, faces, yadda yadda yadda.
I feel like if Trump isn’t on the bill due to legal issues there’s going to be a coordinated effort amongst wackjob republicans to write him in, resulting in some interesting results in the states that are traditionally a tight race.
Agreed and well said. The consistent failure to reject the historical culture that celebrated slavery, Jim Crow laws, segregation, and decades of public and private racism have lead to an ingrained wrongheadedness in parts of American society. The reward for their ignorance and hatred is Trump.
What is the theory of the case on how he loses the GOP primary? He’s polling higher than the rest of the field combined. At this time, unless he dies before the election, I don’t see how he doesn’t end up as the Republican nominee.
I feel like a lot of people would still insist on voting for him even if he was dead. Assuming of course that they believe the “liberal media fake news” that he’s dead.
Honestly a dead Trump presidency would be a net positive to the world compared to a alive Trump presidency. Do a Weekend at Bernie’s I don’t care.
Every single day of Trump Presidency 2016-2020 was “What is this moron going to do today?” And just dominating the news. We are still feeling ripple effects of all the BS he rolled back.
Sure, if they could identify an instance in which he “engaged in insurrection or rebellion […], or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof”. Biden has never committed such an offense, so in order for red states to attempt this they’d have to fabricate facts and have a sufficient number of state officials go along with it, essentially The Big Lie 2.0.
It doesn’t. I get the appeal, but he is not charged with anything that falls under the clause nor is he likely to be charged with such. Historical and legal precedent requires a finding in law of such violation for the clause to be applicable. It’s wishcasting.
o person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Emphasized the bold part because I don’t quite understand why we would want that to even be an option.
Surely they have searched the depths of their party to find the best candidate and this traitorous con man was the best that they could do. JFC there is no need to be a republican anymore.
You ask yourself, what do conservatives want in a President? They want people they don’t like to suffer. They want to feel like their way of life is superior to any other and to not be confronted about it. They want to be able to inflict pain and suffering whenever the feel annoyed.
They want a King. Conservatives are largely people fit to be ruled. You give them too much credit, they are not cruel and evil, they are scared and pathetic.
All that says to me is that we need to do our damnedest to keep him away from that nomination. I’ll be voting in the R primaries next spring, at a minimum.
They made a deal with the devil, and now they panic because they need to pay up.
The GOP gladly let their party turn into a cult and very few cults manage to live on after its leader is dead/no longer viable.
It was probably worth it to them since they locked the Supreme Court for a generation at least.
If they lose everything after, the court has little power. They can just change the laws. As it stands, the court has lots of power as they struggle to change laws with house and presidency changing back and forth.
A true rival conservative party, one not devoted to religion, could break through if one existed. I do think the shift is actually left and progressives will form the next second party and the Democratic Party will be the moderate / right party in the future.
Yeah, there’s room for something like the republicans were as the Whigs collapsed to rise, but if not there will likely be a democratic splinter into something like a labor/progressive party.
I think Gen Z would like that, but it will be a tough road. The GOP looks to die with Boomers and it won’t be replaced. Libratarians might get MAGA, but it will continue to be a third party.
As a person who would be on the increasingly-poorly-defined “right” in this instance, that sounds dope AF.
I’ve been planted in the center for a long time, but an anti business left is growing. I personally don’t see long term success, I do see young support for breaking things up.
they’ve been ready for him; that’s why most republicans very publicly kiss his ass; all in the hopes that they don’t draw ire when he is inevitably made ineligible to run.
these engagements always go the same way, so here’s a copy/paste from somewhere else:
since you’re clearly digging in your heels; i’m going to try to undercut your next arguments since they are always the same three from the deeply ignorant liberal crowd:
Additionally: no, dunking on gays for easy politically points in the past wasn’t popular, many politicians (eg bernie sanders) never did it.
Isn’t it funny that the only “hope” for Republicans is to re-install a vile, amoral, nepotistic, habitually-lying, tax-cheating, proudly-ignorant, racist, fascist, rapist con-man who tried to overthrow the government?
Wait, not “funny,” the other one…
Stupid.
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The kind of Funny Feeling Bo Burnham was singing about.
Evil. Calculated. Not stupid. They play the stupid card cuz it helps them get away with doing evil, and it works amazingly well.
…it’s like the fucking Darth Jar Jar theory irl.
It is his party now.
“If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed … and we will deserve it.” - Lindsey Graham
I’ve successfully repressed many of my Trump-era political memories.
Can anyone tell me how Republicans went from “we’ll be destroyed and we’ll deserve it” to “unggh, Daddy Trump, destroy me harder” between 2016 and 2017?
Because the Trump cult got emboldened after Trump won in 2016, and it quickly became clear that any Republican that wasn’t sufficiently “unggh, Daddy Trump, destroy me harder” would get primaried by someone that was. Kiss the ring or be excommunicated.
It’s hard to feel sympathetic for them about it though, the spent the previous 20+ years paying lip service to types of people who make up the Trump cult because they were convenient for winning elections. They just never expected those people would do anything besides vote in the most respectable business-friendly Republican. Leopards, faces, yadda yadda yadda.
He was winning. Once he was the nominee the establishment republicans all got behind him because otherwise they ran the risk of being primaried
He’s the best chance the fascist GOP has for survival. :)
I feel like if Trump isn’t on the bill due to legal issues there’s going to be a coordinated effort amongst wackjob republicans to write him in, resulting in some interesting results in the states that are traditionally a tight race.
Write-ins aren’t allowed in some states. In others, they still have to be a registered candidate.
I think Trump will likely be on the ballot in most states, but I think there’s a small chance he won’t be in Georgia.
It’ll be him. He’s polling above 50% in the primary and every indictment has only further solidified his support amongst conservatives.
Can’t win primaries without Trump, can’t win general elections with him.
Those who support Trump are not a reflection of the values Americans have, but a darkness that America has surpressed since 1865.
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And will happily continue to suppress as hard as necessary.
Agreed and well said. The consistent failure to reject the historical culture that celebrated slavery, Jim Crow laws, segregation, and decades of public and private racism have lead to an ingrained wrongheadedness in parts of American society. The reward for their ignorance and hatred is Trump.
What is the theory of the case on how he loses the GOP primary? He’s polling higher than the rest of the field combined. At this time, unless he dies before the election, I don’t see how he doesn’t end up as the Republican nominee.
I feel like a lot of people would still insist on voting for him even if he was dead. Assuming of course that they believe the “liberal media fake news” that he’s dead.
Honestly a dead Trump presidency would be a net positive to the world compared to a alive Trump presidency. Do a Weekend at Bernie’s I don’t care.
Every single day of Trump Presidency 2016-2020 was “What is this moron going to do today?” And just dominating the news. We are still feeling ripple effects of all the BS he rolled back.
Trump spoiling the 2024 election for the Republicans would be like a wet dream come true for me.
Trump runs into a issue with the Fourteenth Amendment where states can block him from the ballot. Only a 2/3 vote in Congress can prevent that.
Ok, aside from bad fanfic what is the way he’s not the nominee and on the ballot in all 51 electoral jurisdictions?
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I mean when even the federalist society are penning their opinions on various publications supporting such a position…
And the beauty of this is it only takes a few swing states blocking him on the ballot to wreck his election.
Isn’t the opposite true though as well? Can’t red states just make up reasons to remove biden if a conviction isn’t required?
It is insurrection specific so states would have the burden of proving (if they cared about proof) Biden was engaged with an insurrection.
Sure, if they could identify an instance in which he “engaged in insurrection or rebellion […], or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof”. Biden has never committed such an offense, so in order for red states to attempt this they’d have to fabricate facts and have a sufficient number of state officials go along with it, essentially The Big Lie 2.0.
Legally he can not be on the ballot in any of the 51 electoral jurisdictions per the United States Consitution.
Lol I wish. Where’d you get your law degree, Arby’s?
It’s right there in the Consitution of the United States. You are welcome to read it yourself.
https://www.senate.gov/about/origins-foundations/senate-and-constitution/14th-amendment.htm
Neat, now apply it correctly to the current fact pattern. I can make up fun thought experiments, too.
If you don’t want to read it that is up to you. Thanks for playing.
See paragraph 3. That might pose a problem for Trump.
It doesn’t. I get the appeal, but he is not charged with anything that falls under the clause nor is he likely to be charged with such. Historical and legal precedent requires a finding in law of such violation for the clause to be applicable. It’s wishcasting.
Emphasized the bold part because I don’t quite understand why we would want that to even be an option.
I imagine the thinking is that if a rebellion has 2/3 support in both houses of Congress, it was probably popular enough to not be disqualifying.
Disaster without Trump.
Disaster with it.
Sounds like a you problem.
Are you threatening us with a good time? ;)
Surely they have searched the depths of their party to find the best candidate and this traitorous con man was the best that they could do. JFC there is no need to be a republican anymore.
You ask yourself, what do conservatives want in a President? They want people they don’t like to suffer. They want to feel like their way of life is superior to any other and to not be confronted about it. They want to be able to inflict pain and suffering whenever the feel annoyed.
They want a King. Conservatives are largely people fit to be ruled. You give them too much credit, they are not cruel and evil, they are scared and pathetic.
I’d argue cruel and evil are derived from scared and pathetic.
The fear is the root, which can be hard to accept because its more human and relatable than evil which we want our opposition to be.
Same thing that happened last time. Everyone knew Hilary was becoming president, and everybody was shocked when it wasn’t.
I knew Hillary wasn’t winning the moment she said she was running.
My cognitive dissonance prevented me from realizing it would be trump somehow despite my not believing it would be Hill-dog…
I’m sad and embarrassed to admit that I voted third party on that one.
I also never imagined so far ahead to think how shitty trump would be if it actually went that way.
“Fool me once… Can’t be fooled again”
I just want to know who in the fuck he picks as his running mate. I imagine that choice will be BUCK WILD.
MTG?
Oh no!
… Anyway –
All that says to me is that we need to do our damnedest to keep him away from that nomination. I’ll be voting in the R primaries next spring, at a minimum.