I myself am really on the fence about this.
I hate what Reddit has done, as I was removed as a moderator on my sub. But I much prefer the UI to Lemmy so far. I’m also having a hard time understanding how this all works. I was familiar with Reddit, and it is obviously a way more active community.
But I also used Apollo and hate how they’ve done him so dirty.
Will you guys return if Reddit rights it’s wrongs?
Spez is doubling down. He’s shown his hand. He’s lied. It’s like watching Anakin’s descent to the dark side. He’s too far gone.
I don’t really think there is a going back. The watering hole is poisoned. There’s no more good faith. And, I think for a lot people, especially people here, it’s a matter of principle at this point.
I might check in on certain niche subs that don’t move on to other platforms, but the days of gleefully doomsctolling are over.
IMO the response was even worse than the initial change. That is what put it over for me.
The response killed Reddit for me. No way am I going back to a website run by such a nasty excuse for a person.
Make the niche subs/comms here too lol
For sure! But people need to still come over and use them. 😉
Gleeful doomscrolling, love it 🤣
Pretty much. I’m not going to pretend I’ll never use/view reddit again, but it’ll be little more than something like stackoverflow, where if they have the specific information I’m looking for I’ll visit, but I’ll likely not return to the “homepage”, or not with any frequency.
Fuck spez. Even if they reversed their decision, they have made it very clear how much they will take control if they don’t get their way. They have repeatedly mistreated the mods, devs, and community. They slandered a man with lies that could end his career because of why? To gain social points?
Spez has shown what reddit really is and I am done
My sentiments exactly. I wonder what it’s like for the reddit staff to work with such a gaslighting, condescending and deceitful boss.
We owe the Apollo dev a lot for shining a bright light at the leadership of reddit and specifically /u/spez.
I never even used Apollo (I’m on Android) and that BS with Christian left a godawful taste in my mouth. Can’t support reddit after that, much less after all the other news came out.
Spez should really have just shut his mouth.
It’s really amazing how stupid it was. Spez went about trying to look like the TPA devs were some sort of assholes but his allegations were quickly debunked. There were probably ways this could have been done without pissing off a chunk of the community and resulting in a win-win for everyone involved.
Definitely not. Even if I get luke-warm on lemmy, Huffman has shown a complete disregard to the community and has completely pivoted to building the business. As soon as they introduced New reddit and bought AlienBlue, the writing was already on the wall.
I’m not sure if lemmy/the fediverse has the legs to keep the community going indefinitely (i was around when Voat was absorbing the last reddit exodus, i’m hoping lemmy has more legs than that), but I think i’m done with these for-profit social media sites. Youtube is the last one (for me) that hasn’t burned that bridge, but I’m not a contributor there anyway. For being a link-aggregation website though, I feel like federations are a perfect fit.
I’m old enough now that I can see myself not using social media at all… Jesus how did I get so old. Time to go buy a Miata and some aviators.
I’m not sure if lemmy/the fediverse has the legs to keep the community going indefinitely (i was around when Voat was absorbing the last reddit exodus, i’m hoping lemmy has more legs than that), but I think i’m done with these for-profit social media sites.
What I’m hoping for, is that a portion of people that care and come to Lemmy stick with it, and those people that aren’t at all concerned with Reddits’s business dealings stick with Reddit. It gives each community a chance to develop it’s own voice, which is how it was before the major centralization of the web.
I guess what I’m saying is, even if Lemmy doesn’t beat Reddit into the ground, Lemmy can still win in it’s own way.
I remember the Voat semi-exodus, but as I recall that was all the communities that got banned. Voat turned into a cesspool real quick
That was a big part of why they failed, yea.
Federating seems like an excellent way of keeping the incels out, hopefully we don’t end up going that way
Mastodon managed to become a viable alternative to Twitter, and even PeerTube found some semblance of success. I am condifent Lemmy will be able to do the same. I hope PixelFed since the last time I’ve checked as well.
No
There’s more to this than the direct changes to their platform:
- not communicating with mods and users
- being deadset about a really bad feature
- doubling down on killing third party development
- being a real dick about controversies
- not valuing users for their content
- not valuing volunteer moderators
- going after a beloved developer specifically for no other reason than him going public with the situation
There’s some things you can’t rebuild, and a lot of redditors accept that Reddit is like an abusive spouse and it’s time to see other people.
No I like it here better. The community is better. It’s less toxic. Feels like the old internet again
I have to agree on the toxicity bit. People here actually have discourse. Reddit was literally full of people that were full of piss and vinegar and wanted nothing more than to argue with people. You check their comment history and they were full pricks in every interaction. I’ve contributed more here in 3 days than I have on reddit in the last 2 months. Commenting on reddit was fun. The fact people can’t really karma farm here seems to make a world of difference too.
Hell no.
My issues with Reddit boil down to three: the admins, the mods, and the users. (Note: this is coming from a former Reddit user and mod.) Even if the admins turn 180°, the other two issues remain.
Love this, it’s true and made me laugh out loud.
Nope. It’s far too US-centric, both in content and cultural norms enforced by censorship. What’s really great about the fediverse is to be able to find not just niche content about “the outside world” but communities literally run under different cultural norms.
Yes exactly! It’s so American
i agree. you can really see it with all the self censoring in the comments, all the abbreviations they assume you know, while the rest of world has no idea what they talk about.
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The annoying this is that it didn’t need to go down like this!
- If they had announced fairer pricing it wouldn’t be a problem
- If they had announced more than 30 days notice it would have been less of a problem
- If they had announced that you needed Reddit premium to use the API it would have made them more money and not be a problem!
- If the AMA wasn’t a train wreck and they had at least given some concessions then it wouldn’t have been a problem.
This entire thing was bungled from conception to announcement to execution, if they had worked with the third party app devs, if they had communicated clearly, if that hadn’t come off as money grabbing, personal data selling ass holes then none of this would have been a problem.
As it is though, they can just get fucked.
What did slashdot do wrong? I wasn’t up on the lore, I just thought they decided to be a bit more moderated, which even though I would want to participate in a place that is a little more open to broader content, I can respect the decision.
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I don’t think I will. I’m not fully moved over - I’ll use Apollo and if/whenthat goes away, then I’m done with Reddit. I’m having a harder time navigating lemmy and getting used to the concept, but it’s also kinda exciting. I remember joining Reddit in ‘09 and it was a similar feel, but this is better. So I think under most circumstances, unless they like get rid of apex and make some serious amends to some others, I won’t go back.
If you haven’t tried Mlem the beta ios app yet, you should. It’s still definitely a new concept and totally does feel like the early days but I have enjoyed the app a lot.
I’d also recommend Memmy beta for any Apollo users out there. It’s still very early in its development but it’s very obviously designed to mimic Apollo and I’m really impressed with how much has been achieved in so little time by the developer.
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Mlem is great, but I think the TestFlight is full right now so you might have a hard time getting in.
A 1.0 release may be coming soon though!
I would also give a shout-out to Limbo: https://lemmy.world/c/limbo , it looks promising so far (based on Lemmur)
I’m in the exact same boat Apollo was so integral to Reddit for me….I also agree there is something exciting about figuring this out. I’m enjoying it, I think I’ll just go where most users go
Nope! I’ve now realised all centralised platforms are doomed to enshittification. I’m here for the long haul.
I’m done. I moderated a very small, niche hobby sub for a bit over three years. The size and niche-ness kept it fairly well insulated from the worst online behaviors, but it’s been shifting this year. I have been seeing more and more users posting to the sub for the first time, simply pushing their content creator/influencer material on Insta and Youtube. Their posts are only vaguely related to the sub topic, and they never stick around to have meaningful conversations in the comments of their posts. When they violate the sub rules, I have a policy of warning once and removing only if they don’t respond within 24 hours. But even with a 24 hour warning, people get NASTY.
I modded the community for the benefit of others. With the shift in sub demographics and reddit sweeping my legs out from under me in terms of mod tools that allow me to keep control of the sub, I’m done. I can’t keep it shaped into the community the original members want. They’re frustrated. I’m frustrated. It’s no longer fun or fulfilling. Someone who wants to keep the sub aligned with the wants of the new content creator/influencer demographics are welcome to it. Personally, I think a sub of people advertising their channels elsewhere is worthless.
I’d love to see you take another chance on a Lemmy community. Start it up here, and post!
Thanks. I found half a dozen communities across a few instances that are already pretty close in topic. For now, I’ll be joining as a normal user and just posting and commenting.
I’ve been thinking a lot about why I agreed to mod on reddit and how my views on it have changed. We’ll see, maybe I do something like that again someday in the future, but for now I’m ok being a normal community member.
I was on Reddit 15 years and recently have been considering getting off the platform for other various reasons. All of the recent developments were just the final thing to push me to actually leave.
This was me, too. I was actively looking for alternatives already, this whole debacle just provided enough of a community on those alternatives for it to feel like a worthy time to switch. There’s nothing that will get me to go back at this point.
Same, but 14 years. Had followed mastodon some and read up on activity pub, but meanwhile I never used Twitter and liked how reddit reminded me of forums and bbs/usenet/email listservs before that.
I definitely see how lemmy is rough around the edges, and I’m sure that will cause issues with any sort of mass long term reddit exodus, but personally I’m loving the experience, the dev community, the underlying philosophy, etc. & at least for the communities I’ve been following that decently high barrier to entry has uplifted most of the discussion (albeit while kneecapping niche or local or whatever discussion entirely because there isn’t a community for it)
Most responses I’ve seen have centered on spez’s actions, but I have a bigger reason for saying no.
Ever since the Conde Nasty days Reddit has gone in a direction that would be abhorrent to Aaron Schwarz. For this who aren’t aware, Aaron was one of the original designers and developers of Reddit.
Anyway, I feel that reddit is now something of an insult to Aaron’s legacy. Spez has made it worse by pissing on his grave.
Reddit is no longer showing on my computer. Something about /etc/hosts. Can’t imagine how that happened.
I installed a Firefox extension that redirects any reddit.com link to my Lemmy instance.
Edit: added link to the extension.
I installed a Firefox extension that redirects any reddit.com link to my Lemmy instance.
…Do you have a link to that extension?
Sure! It’s this one: https://einaregilsson.com/redirector/
My rules are here (you can save them as a
.jsonfile an import in the extension):{ "createdBy": "Redirector v3.5.3", "createdAt": "2023-06-20T20:58:57.278Z", "redirects": [ { "description": "Bye, Reddit", "exampleUrl": "https://www.reddit.com/", "exampleResult": "https://lemmy.studio", "error": null, "includePattern": "https://*.reddit.com/*", "excludePattern": "", "patternDesc": "", "redirectUrl": "https://lemmy.studio", "patternType": "W", "processMatches": "noProcessing", "disabled": false, "grouped": false, "appliesTo": [ "main_frame" ] }, { "description": "Bye, Twitter", "exampleUrl": "https://twitter.com/", "exampleResult": "https://2c.taoetc.org/", "error": null, "includePattern": "https://twitter.com/*", "excludePattern": "", "patternDesc": "", "redirectUrl": "https://2c.taoetc.org/", "patternType": "W", "processMatches": "noProcessing", "disabled": false, "grouped": false, "appliesTo": [ "main_frame" ] } ] }
Reddit will get increasingly worse the moment they go public, even if they backpeddal on all of the BS (and they did to some extent), I’m already envisioning several Twitter/Twitch/YouTube-like anti-user monetization features that will trickle down one by one over the years. The owners and admins have shown their true colors, there is no undoing that.
If it weren’t for how rough (and personally, confusing) Lemmy is right now, I wouldn’t even consider going back. But if the growth stalls, and communities remain super small, I might hop back, which is why I haven’t deleted my content and account over there yet.
I remember reddit being super confusing when I started using it, it clickex in time - I assume it will click here as well.
The main issue for me is the communities are much smaller, as well as the userbase - which means some communities straight up don’t exist here, because there is not many people interested and even less willing or able to create them.
I didn’t burn any bridges with reddit, but certainly plan to spend my time here.
Personally I’ve found the Lemmy experience perfectly ok. I went from never having heard of it to being up and running and having the general gist of it in about 30 minutes. Is it a commercial grade polished product? No. But it works just fine, gives me content to browse, and isn’t some horrible humanity grinder in search of profit. If people keep joining the content will follow, just need to be patient and contribute (note to self, I should post something instead of lurking).
As some others have mentioned elsewhere having a slight barrier to entry might slow down the influencers migrating over too. We can but hope.
