Learned about Lemmy from Reddit but never heard of kbin until recently. That said, I like the name Lemmy a lot more than the name kbin. kbin sounds like a hex editor for KDE, not a Reddit alternative. I love the open source community, but sometimes the names of projects leave much to be desired. Lemmy isn’t the perfect name but it’s more memorable than kbin.
kbin sounds like a hex editor for KDE
That’s what I needed to hear today. genius
Anyone who doesn’t get this joke is not going to care about the difference.
Speaking about names. What the hell is a “magazine”?? It’s like the kbin devs went out of their way to ensure they named everything to be as confusing to outsiders as possible.
Kind of like how Lemmy made up communities? Lol you don’t call microblogs “toots” either. Seems every fediverse software has their own terminology.
Also it’s dev, singular. Kbin has been put together by only one dev. I personally find that damn impressive considering it’s functionally on par with Lemmy being only 2 months old to Lemmy’s 4 years.
Community is descriptive though, they’re literally communities centered around some topic. Magazine only works in a much more abstract sense.
I think you can easily make arguments either way. Which is why it’s a moot point. For example, you could argue magazines make more sense because we’re consuming this media in written form, and it’s collected together by subject, like a magazine.
Community is fine too, it’s descriptive in the sense that it’s a literal to the purpose. It’s the same as calling the site itself “forum” or something like that.
Community seems like a fine name, did you want them to call it a subreddit? Lol
Nothing wrong with community, the point is Lemmy created the term the same as Kbin created magazine. Not every microblogging site in the fediverse calls them “toots” for example.
Yeah but community does a good job of explaining what it is conceptually with a word everyone understands, while being “vendor neutral” as it were.
“magazine” tells me fuck all, I’m not even certain what it’s supposed to be.
Right? I also don’t fully understand what Microblogs are on kbin?
Microblogs are like posts on Mastodon. They’re “toots”. Kbin federates with thread-based fediverse instances and microblog based ones like Mastodon. (I don’t think Lemmy does this?)
Kbin calling them microblogs is actually basically the equivalent of Lemmy’s term communities in the sense that their both literal descriptions.
I see! Thanks!
Holy shit it all makes sense now! I’ve been seeing posts and comments randomly talking about magazines for ages now with absolutely no idea what any of them are going on about. Didn’t realise it was a Kbin thing. That’s one of the downsides of Federation I suppose, sometimes shit just gets weird.
I literally chose Lemmy instead of kbin because kbin sounds like a KDE app.
If it was a kde app I’d be more likely to join
It kinda does I suppose!
Also, Lemmy is pronounceable, like Jimmy or any other name. How many syllables is kbin? Four individual letters?
Also also, “Lemmy World” can be said out loud in polite company. Shit just doesn’t work.
It would be pronounced “kaybin”. Like the Linux directory /sbin. It’s basically a name technical people would appreciate in a pun sort of way.
Okay, thank you. “Kaybin” is pronounceable - when you know this.
I am not very familiar with Linux. Can you tell me what /sbin means? And if kbin is a nod to that, then what does the “k” mean?
Can you tell me what /sbin means?
Superuser BINaries
Really? Kbin as the name is what intrigued me initially over Lemmy. It’s actually inspired by Linux, the sbin directory to be specific.
Honestly, I just like the UI better.
At the end of the day that’s a large reason to choose any of the federated platforms because as it matures we will seamlessly be able to communicate with each other. Be it Mastadon, Kbin, Lemmy, Pixelfed etc.
That’s what I love about federation. It won’t matter what platform we are on, we just choose the one that looks the best for us and can talk to EVERYBODY. It wouldn’t surprise me if down the road there is a better universal alternative that shows Mastodon, Lemmy/Kbin, Pixelfed content in their original format all in one instance (could be like tabs or all in one feed). I would personally use that but if anyone just wants to see posts in a Lemmy-like format they have the power to choose.
The reason I’m on kbin right now is that it supports Mastodon etc in its Microblog sections – if Lemmy did as well I’d probably move there.
I heard of mastodon but didn’t care because I don’t use Twitter or social media in general, really. Lemmy is content aggregation and forum which is more my speed.
Honestly, I don’t really care about that feature. I don’t care to do “social media,” and Mastodon is a part of that (although I DO use Discord with my small D&D/Roll20 group). I do have a Mastodon account that’s active but, due to the fact that my wife and I did a WHOLE LOT of IRC back during our college days, we just never got into Myspace/Facebook/et. al. Once we were together for good, there just was never a need and we didn’t see the point. My wife is the same way; she’s a physics teacher and VERY SMART, but she’s just not that into technology (other than gaming). She makes me listen to her 80’s hair metal stuff on her Google Nest Hub (I’m more of a Pink Floyd/Tame Impala kind of guy personally) but, other than that, we’ve just been on Reddit (and Bored Panda for her).
Having said that, I was VERY MUCH into Reddit. It was the closest to “social media” that I was willing to get. I was actually REALLY surprised at what the CEO did; I thought he was smarter than that. I was wrong on this account. I think he is his own worst enemy. They often talk about the “echo chamber” and I think that he’s made it his home…
Does kbin have mobile apps yet?
Not even “will”. This thread popped up for me on kbin.
Rust > PHP
Yes….on a technical level. But the picture is bigger than that. Personally, I have a hunch that the choice of Rust is making Lemmy’s development slower. This seemed to be evidenced by the fact that Kbin has more functionality than Lemmy while having only been around for 2 months. Vs Lemmy’s 4 years. The Kbin dev has also been much more able to fix things on the fly during the surge in users. Whereas Lemmy will supposedly move off websocket use any day now.
Adoptability isn’t something to be discounted. The fact that there any more people out there familiar with PHP may give Kbin an edge over time. And let’s be honest, in real-world test PHP can very often be faster then - less-than-mature-Rust codebase.
I was curious about Kbin until I read this comment.
Not for me. I know PHP and not Rust, so if I want to go somewhere that I have a chance of contributing to, that narrows it down.
Fair enough.
I suppose there is something nice about a low barrier-to-entry codebase, but I’d be weary of getting inundated with low quality PRs and spend all my time on code reviews. Maybe that’s unrealistic, but I haven’t seen that nearly as often outside of Python and JS projects
Probably but anything > node.
Sauce?
I tried Kbin and its way harder for me somehow searching other federated instanced content on Kbin than on lemmy.
It feels like for Kbin you need to go first to lets say Lemmy.world and then check the list and copy the names of each then search it.
on any lemmy instance i can simply search the things and find stuff of other instances way easier.
also Lemmy is like WAY bigger of user base posts and comments.
Was that when kbin.social was still behind Cloudflare protection? Federation was broken during that period.
Nah example here from right now Kbin https://i.imgur.com/tMjblnl.png
Lemmy.world https://i.imgur.com/7MmHcak.png
Another
The syntax is slightly different in Kbin: @community
Also, you need to do it from the all magazines search bar.
That made it work.
What i mean is this example here from right now Kbin https://i.imgur.com/tMjblnl.png
Lemmy.world https://i.imgur.com/7MmHcak.png
Another
Kbin https://i.imgur.com/PVfPDts.png
Lemmy https://i.imgur.com/2NPZ1Cc.png
Lemmy Includes Subs / Magazines from Lemmy and Kbin and finds those While… Kbin seems not.
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I just heard about Lemmy first. Maybe later I’ll try kbin too.
Lemmy is the first one I heard about, and that’s where I made my account. Kbin is also a much newer project, so I’m less confident that it’ll be around in the mid-to-long term future than lemmy.world, and I’d rather not have to make a new account.
I liked both but ultimately joined Lemmy over kbin because it seems like there’s more interest in building mobile apps for Lemmy. (Currently using Jerboa) Also like that my Lemmy instance is based on renewable energy which is nice.
Lemmy has been around much longer right? Personally I’m using both, though kbin only very recently. That’s the coolest thing about the fediverse to me; not only can lemmy instances federate and kbin instances federate, but a kbin instance can federate with a lemmy instance
What’s your favourite?
So far kbin seems a lot more stable but i know the Lemmy devs are working tirelessly to address the most critical bugs so I feel like it’s too soon to say.
I started with both at the same time and I spent far more time here. I don’t know, if kbin still has the problem, but every single time I opened kbin, I had to do the whole cloudflare-process of waiting, check a box, wait again and then get redirected. Apart from that I prefer the layout here and since here are more users, there is always new content and it feels lively.
That cloudflare problem was solved :)
That is nice to hear, thank you :)
Started on lemmy. Haven’t gotten annoyed yet and can’t currently be bothered to try yet another new thing.
Same for me. Pure laziness.
I already put in a lot of time to figure this out, I need to rest for a bit before I jump into kbin.
I’d like to hear something about people who use both
I want to use Kbin much more, as it looks hella nicer, but I can’t find any button to collapse comments and the reply thread field is on the very bottom of a post… so yeah, that’s annoying lol
There are userscripts to fix those. Google “Kbin userscripts”. They use tampermonkey
I use both, I like kbin feed much more, lemmy takes a long time to update the feed (although a fix might be very close) other than that, I like the access to microblog platforms.
I like kbin graphic interface more but lemmy feels more intuitive to use, so I use lemmy much more and use kbin for things lemmy doesn’t do, like following mastodon accounts.
I had some difficulty signing up for kbin and I also just had a preference for the layout of Lemmy. Plus I found iOS apps for Lemmy first (TestFlight, sure, but functional).
At this point because it’s all federated it’s more just Home Screen preference anyway, right?
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I’ll agree that calling communities “magazines” is weird.
The word reminds me of outdated (and overpriced) print periodicals or ammo holders. They may as well call them 8-tracks or cassettes. Maybe the word will evolve. “Sub” took on it’s own meaning after Reddit.
“Fetch” still isn’t happening, so we’ll see.
- Rust > PHP
- At the moment, Lemmy is more stable & have workable Android Apps.
- People who can use software regardless of the creator’s political belief/worldview tend to be more open-minded and rational than purist who choose software only built by those who has same worldview with them even when it was inferior or lacking many features than alternatives.
- People on Lemmy is diverse in their ideological/worldview, It makes conversation more interesting and less prone to be an echo chamber for one ideological believe.
undefined> Rust > PHP No expert but THIS, from what I’ve seen…
