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Why does lemmy.world, the largest instance, not simply eat the other instances?
Then it would just be Reddit all over again.
I try to avoid eating sh.it, but you do you.
I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast!
You eat spez for breakfast?
is there a !woosh for the replies to your comment?
This this originate from Friends or did they reference some other movie thingy?
Pretty sure it’s from Futurama.
Nope, that was a Futurama original.
I’d upvote this comment twice if I could. :D
Centralization is bad
So we end up with one instance having to serve millions of users… for free… Hmm yes that’s going to work.
People on Lemmy are not going to like it but either Lemmy takes off and people will have to find ways to fund their instances or Lemmy dies.
We’re in a nice period right now where kind people are able to run instances on donations or from their own pocket. But it’s not going to last.
Let’s have a mass organized bake sale. We’ll call the lemon squares “Lemmy Squares”. People will love it.
Lemmy Squares sounds adorable. We need a recipe for this.
I don’t think a Wikipedia-style donation system would be bad. It’s better than ads.
I just hope they don’t do what YouTube does and interrupt the most important and engaging parts of videos to show ads in the most jarring manner possible. …though it would help if creators helped design their content for ads to have a place to go like how TV used to do.
I don’t really see how this relates to my comment. The equivalent would be for Lemmy to insert a funding message in the middle of someone’s post… What seems likely to me is a double wide post at the top of the page with a donation ask or a plan to give users who donate some extra flair or something.
Also, just use an ad blocker on YouTube or RevancedManager.
I’m sure how the ecosystem of Lemmy will play out is that there are a handful, maybe 6 or 7, main instances that require funding and are simply massive with teams committed to them. Then you have the niche medium sized instances that are known for a particular community or two, such as an instance that is well known for its great vegetarian community or whatever. Then you’ll have tiny instances that are used by irl friend groups, or for simply tech savvy people that want a home base instance that they can control.
We’re already sort of set up like this, but less organized and smaller overall. Many instances have duplicates of the same communities right now which I think will slowly fade away as future updates make it easier to visit/search other instances.
I’m expecting the location specific instances to split off though (shout out to my squad fams at aussie.zone) so that they don’t get lost in the mix of the major general communities.
Oh, true. That kind of fits into the idea of mid-sized niche communities, but definitely locations will become a big thing.
We wouldn’t want beehaw or lemmygrad.
obligatory it’s inevitable
it’s impossible for me to see this image without picturing that dog’s face in the dust storm
edit: for the uninformed
Woah how the hell did you do that arrow
Just put an image in a spoiler! You can hit the little
icon under my post to check out the source and see exactly how I did it.Woah
But now how did you put the paper icon in your previous message
Funny you ask, it’s actually really cool how it just worked.
I used ShareX to take a screenshot of it, which was then saved to my clipboard (but you can use any screenshotting tool that saves to your clipboard, such as the built in Windows snip tool. I just love ShareX). Then I CTRL+ V’d it in the middle of the comment I was making and it just worked - auto uploaded with the proper syntax and everything. I was kind of shocked tbh.
It’s a spoiler, you can view source of the message
Strange, the spoiler doesn’t work for me. I just see “::: spoiler” then the image.
Me too. In Jerboa app.
oh shit, i just assumed it was there and my brain saw it until i read your comment lmao
Damn it, I specifically joined this one because it was less popular.
Oh well lol
Me too! Damn kids, get off our lawn!
The future is here, old man.
@Olgratin_Magmatoe I joined kbin.social for the same reason, yet…
99.5% uptime is very impressive for a community that is experiencing such explosive growth.
I did read that @Ruud said in a post that Lemme.world can handle 1 million users as of right now.
He hopes that other instances get more traction so the crowds are distributed.
Go daddy
But… is that even a good thing? I mean, the point of the fediverse is to distribute the load across instances.
The point is that everyone CAN start an instance and become bigger. It’s the users that decide.
I like this way of putting it. It’s like that post that was around a few days ago discussing lemmy as being “CEO-proof”.
It’s not really I guess, but if an instance got big and started being unfriendly/unreasonable to users they could just go to another instance and still be part of the federation.
If it gets too much they can just stop letting people join, can’t they? I think for the beginning a little bit of centralizing will make stuff easier. For the long run it might be less desirable.
The upside is join-lemmy.org always puts the smaller but growing instances at the top to somewhat distribute the load for new users. Also there are new general purpose instances popping up, I quite like it and as long as there is no drama you can access most of the Fediverse from almost any instance.
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Lol just saw someone complain about bots here and thought to myself that i would never seen one.
I am happy to contribute! I think it’s time for me to move on from Reddit. I am excited to help this platform grow and become something great - I just need to become less of a lurker.
Former lurkers unite!
Was a reddit lurker for years and became a massive contributor.
I am looking forward to continuing thag momentum. Heh.
There are many of us!
Unfortunately I don’t have much faith in this social network until the bot issue is addressed. There is a huge contingent of spambots just waiting for their moments here.
Spam bots or spam servers? Everyone is saying regulate signups for servers but anyone can spin up a Lemmy server and spam with thousands of accounts until they are defedarated. Then 5 minutes later do it again with a new server. It’s not hard to setup a Lemmy server.
I actually think this is a non-issue , sure it will be a pain for a while but the decentralized model will easily adapt to this IMO. Its not like reddit was immune from bots eh.
An example is how obviously you can spot the bad actors here. I do not think is will be any more challenging indeed I think it will be easier to counter
Yeah, a nice feature of federation is that real communities can adjust their sign-up processes to minimize bot sign-ups, and while determined botfarms can spin up their own servers, that leads to pretty much the least controversial use case for admins to block another server.
Mastodon’s run into similar issues in the past with both bots and scrapers and typically no one has any issue with admins there defederating and entirely blocking those servers.
Yeah, malicious instances can always be defederated and cleaned from the caches.
Until they startblockingg new servers that are harmless
Which is why it’s great that the bottom of every single page, on every single lemmy instance, there’s a button to take you to the modlog. It shows what servers have been defederated and when. So if the person running your instance is being too heavy-handed with it, you can take your account and move to a different instance.
So, it’s still a bit of a non-issue.
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“democracy” - meaning that new servers should have to apply to join
You mean a federation?
That’s because I brought snacks, who doesn’t like the most finger friendly food?
Everytime I see you post a comment it is a painful reminder that Bugles are no longer sold in my country.
Overthrow that bitch stat
Biggest of the trueths
That’s cool the content has been great so far too!
came from reddit. lemmy principles seem to align with me open for everyone and communities run their own instance if required
Over in kbin.social… wondering if there will be a simple way to consolidate duplicate magazines/communities
It’d be interesting to have metamagazines or something along the like. There’s a lot of repeat mags out there that would benefit from an easy way to share/federate at a smaller scale than per-instance.
I’d like something in this vein to view multiple communities of the same topic at once (like folders/multi-reddits/etc.) too.
Another idea, if possible, might be to have Lemmy search for existing communities/magazines in linked instances as you’re trying to make a community, similar to how it searches for already posted links, so that folks are given a heads up to those existing communities. If they want to go on to make their own local version then it’s just up to them.
Any idea how many might be bots?
I don’t think we have that many. The instances that were victims of bot attacks grew by more than 10k in less than a day. This instance’s growth has been steady at 1k~2k per day with the captcha enabled.
I believe we also have one of the best active users to total user ratios in the ‘Lemmyverse’, at least for instances of this size. Fun stuff.
Also when we were hit with bots Mailgun immediately blocked emails for this instance, which proves that it’s a very rare thing.
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The admins are actively watching for them, and quickly responded when signups went significantly unusual, so it seems likely that bots are not a significant percentage of signups
The captcha seems to be protecting the bigger, older instances, it’s all new instances that you’ve never heard of that randomly have 10k+ bot accounts.
https://the-federation.info/platform/73#drawer-opened
If you scroll to the list of servers and sort by total users, you can see dozens of ghost servers with thousands of accounts and like 10 active users. Alternatively, leave it on the default sorting to see all of the servers that actually have activity.
Should be pretty easy to defederate those instances if the bots start causing problems.
Yes
Nice, what is this k6qw instance about, though? So many users and just 1 community without any posts?
It does seem a little out of balance. We should ask @[email protected] how/why they’re personally reviewed 38,000 email-less sign up statements in under 7 days and who they think is populating his server (according to one of his posts from a week ago).
(not sure my tag syntax was correct… maybe @[email protected] autolinking works?)
I mean, this just stinks of bots. This made it real easy to at least spot them. All those signups and not a single post? I agree with the notion of contacting the instance admin. They may be completely unaware that a swarm of bots signed up on the instance.
I’m wondering the same thing, maybe bots?
I ended up there/here thanks to a “guide for redditors” that suggested it as a good instance to start with. That particular guide was at the top of the Google results when researching lemmy.
I’ve seen more bigger communities on here than the ml instance
More bigger they do be
True dat, dey be big, dey do
