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Please keep up the good fight. We need you in NATO.
Ukraine has basically handed the second “strongest” military aa stalemate. Which is a win IMO. Throw the might off the military industrial complex at the problem and banish the military for the foreseeable future.
“banish the military”
Downsize? Sure. Absolutely. Definitely. By a lot.
Get rid of it totally? Yeah, dumbest fucking thing ever.
I made a more detailed comment in the “Early Stages of Ukranian” post, approaching the conflict from a tactical position the russian doctrine has shown itself to be superior with a more developed command & control combined with emphasis on smaller unit concentration leadership. The ability to contese a wide swath of ukraine with highly mobile troops supported by a proven equipment advantage (kinzhal, UAV, EW, Artillery)
Then examine the strategic level, particularly the production of referenced artillery which is the lynchpin of this conflict with the russian defensive lines and ukranian anti-artillery efforts
“We know that Ukraine uses a purported 5,000-6,000 shells per day, and that Russia has been estimated to fire as many as 60,000—though that’s a high ‘peak’ amount—the daily average over the course of the war being closer to ~20,000-30,000.”
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/on-shells-and-armor-the-war-of-sustainment
“The U.S., self-avowed manufacturing ‘powerhouse’ of the world, produces 14,000 shells a month and have recently announced a “3X production surge” to 40,000 to help Ukraine—which was soon after desperately amended to 90,000 to staunch AFU’s rapidly accumulating losses. Even for the U.S., it’s an effort large enough to take approximately 2-3 years to ramp up to.”
"Accepting that Russia mostly depleted usable 152mm stocks by the early 2000’s (not counting aging stocks requiring refurbishment), it’s credible that Russia spent the next two decades producing at a moderate rate equivalent to the U.S.’s 90k a month, which would grant them about 1 million shells per year. And twenty years of such stockpiling, from the early 2000’s, would give approximately 20 million—in line with Estonian estimates.
Russia used an estimated 7-10m so far in the first year of the SMO (20-30k per day multiplied by roughly a year). If the Estonian estimates are accurate that means Russia could have ~7-10m left, which is about another year’s worth of shells.
In WW2, the USSR was said to have produced 100 million shells per year, just to give an idea of what’s possible. Also, as a rule, Russia has several times more arms factories compared to the U.S. per category. For instance, the famed Lima plant in Ohio produces all American Abrams. Russia’s top tank producer Uralvagonzavod alone has roughly 12 factories, though they’re not all committed to tank production. Some produce civilian equipment like train cars, others full-time tank modernization/refurbishments, like upgrading the older T-72’s to T-72B3 standard.
So if U.S. can do 90k shells a month (1m/year) on only one production line by merely increasing shifts, Russia likely has several such production lines, in the famed Tula Arms plant and elsewhere, and should be able to comfortably triple that, at the minimum. And tripling 1m shells gets us to exactly what Estonian intel reportedly estimated Russia manufactures per year; or this source which claimed Russia was assembling 2 million shells per annum comfortably:"
I wonder if there’s going to be some sort of culture crisis across The West when reality hits, or if Western media is strong enough to distract everyone with something new like they did with Afghanistan.
I think they’re already trying to shift it somewhat, the anti-Chinese stuff has picked up a bit recently.
Remember when Hong Kong was “winning”?
Opened my eyes to the accuracy of the Western media
Yeah same. I was there, and seeing what was happening and what was being reported was a huge WTF experience
Who wants to bet a hundred bucks?
Blackrock, JP Morgan, The UK and EU, and dozens of companies, especially in the construction sector.. Oh and I almost forgot, the United States of America.
How about $100,000? I’m thinking about it. Cheaper than retiring in the US.
Half of the US financial sector turn their organs of accumulation towards a war-torn proxy nation the US is almost ready to discard
You, a genius: Ah, this must be because the proxy is winning.
I have a bridge in South Vietnam to sell you
US investors don’t want to own property in an empoverished Russian puppet country. They want to own property in a wealthy, thriving Western puppet county. So yes, it’s because our proxy is winning.
Winning so hard that their big armored counteroffensive culminated with them losing ground lmao
Vulture capitalists want to buy assets for liquidation at rock bottom prices. This was part of the western impetus for starting the hostilities in the first place. They were hoping to draw the Russian Federation into an endless quagmire to juice war industry profits and hopefully collapse the RF government to get another nice lucrative round of shock therapy. Since the economic warfare effort backfired, the US has been contenting itself with absorbing the western european energy market while stripping Ukraine for assets.
This was part of the western impetus for starting the hostilities in the first place.
Whoa whoa whoa back up. I want to hear what kind of ridiculous mental gymnastics makes YOU invading a sovereign nation somehow OUR fault. This should be good for laughs.
Based on some of your other comments you come off as completely oblivious to the geopolitical history of the region.
YOU invading a sovereign nation
I’m almost certain the person you replied to is not on the front line on behalf of the RF, and I’m even more certain they had no say in the decision to invade.
So? He wants to defend it, I wanna hear him defend it.
😴😴😴😴
Sure, what odds?
I say Russia wins, I can pay with crypto when things end.
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Russia’s officially stated original goal was basically the Minsk accords, but instead of autonomy it was changed to independence for Donbass.
Ukraine officially stated goal is Crimea and Donbass.
That was never the case.
Be more of a caricature
Written by Denys Shmyhal
That’s Ukraine’s current prime minister writing this opinion piece: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denys_Shmyhal
Imagine simping for a genocidal dictator.
Imagine simping for a genocidal dictator who’s getting his ass kicked by a bunch of farmers.
Dude reeks of amphetamine paranoia too. Anyone who has spent time around a speed freak will see the parallels. Guess also those FSB alertness pills are takin their toll, eh Vlady?
Honestly this comment seems more crack infused than OPs. How do you even come to this conclusion from him pointing out a fact, and posting a stupid meme?
Well, fuck. This comment is enough proof that Reddit is leaking from all holes now.
I agree, it’s super cringe when people simp for Elenskyy, or literally any US president ever.
Tankie tried no u
It’s not very effective
Irs like theyre only move lol
Lol, go back to Lemmygrad
They’re from Lemmygrad, you’re from Lemmy.world, and you’re talking on Lemmy.ml.
What makes you think you have a better claim to the community this thread is in?
Do you just not understand federation?
Crazy how the creators of Lemmy made that instance along with this one.
Wait, they did??
If he’s referring to Lemmy.world he’s wrong. Lemmy.world has a different admin who’s not connected at all to Lemmy.ml admins afaik
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Are lemmy.ml admins connected to lemmygrad.ml ones tho?
69 points. Nice.
Lmao Putin bros on suicide watch. Stay mad.
If you are really enjoying simping for a neo-liberal protofascist dictatorship, then stop calling yourself a “Marxist”
rather simp for someone opposing nato expansion than for a neonazi puppet regime staffed by people handpicked by the CIA. I swear you liberals refuse on purpose to understand that in the grand scheme of things the action of a “bad guy” can still be beneficial.
Russia isn’t conquering the world anytime soon. So what would you rather have? a more multipolar world where russia has a relatively safe and solid position after showing that it won’t be bullied into submission by nato (with the whole world watching), or a world where russia is balkanized into several statelets without the political, economic or military strength to resist capitalist infiltration?
We saw what happened last time russia got defeated. We lost a bastion of socialism, we saw tens of millions impoverished while a few capitalits dismantled everything that the USSR had built, and the whole thing ushered 40 years of hegemonic atlantist domination.
So yeah, i am rooting for the “neoliberal protofascist dictatorship”. There is a reason why literally nobody in the global south sanctioned Russia. 75% of the planet is reasoning the same way i am.
I swear you liberals refuse on purpose to understand that in the grand scheme of things the action of a “bad guy” can still be beneficial.
Please tell me the benefits of running a genocidal war of aggresion for anyone that isn’t Putin.
Russia isn’t conquering the world anytime soon. So what would you rather have? a more multipolar world where russia has a relatively safe and solid position after showing that it won’t be bullied into submission by nato (with the whole world watching), or a world where russia is balkanized into several statelets without the political, economic or military strength to resist capitalist infiltration?
The “bullying into submission” is a paranoid fabrication of an increasingly unhinged fascist regime. Ukraine had no intention of joining NATO until this war, and now as a result of this fiasco even Finland has decided to join. And your usage of this particular phrase shows that this whole affair is Russia throwing a temper tantrum at its irrelevancy on the global stage. And if Russia is indeed balkanized into statelets (hopefully not, we don’t need even more nuclear quasi-states) it will be the fault of the guy currently pissing himself in a bunker near Kremlin.
We saw what happened last time russia got defeated. We lost a bastion of socialism, we saw tens of millions impoverished while a few capitalits dismantled everything that the USSR had built, and the whole thing ushered 40 years of hegemonic atlantist domination.
Once again, tankie, Russia is waging a war of aggresion. All they have to do to prevent their defeat is to turn their tanks around and go back to Moscow. But that would mean the surefire end of strongman politics and the fall of Putin, so gadflies such as yourself have to regurgitate propaganda. And lamenting the loss of USSSR, imao, the country that was so prosperous that it a wall had to be built in order to stop people from escaping it. Truly a workers paradise. Perhaps 80 years of economical mismanagement and political repression was responsible for its collapse, and not invisible NATO gremlins with sledgehammers.
So yeah, i am rooting for the “neoliberal protofascist dictatorship”. There is a reason why literally nobody in the global south sanctioned Russia. 75% of the planet is reasoning the same way i am.
The global South has neither the economical leverage, nor the political will to impose sanctions. They are staying away from this because they gain nothing from it.
Please stick to posting on lemmygrad, you are embarrasing yourself outside of your echo-chamber.
id rather countries dont invade other countries because they felt ‘bullied into submission’ over said countries existing
id also rather tankies stop pretending to have any kind of moral conviction or interest in some greater good or world peace behind their support of protofascist dictatorships invading other countries
id rather countries dont invade other countries
So you don’t count Iraq, Iran, Yemen, good part of South America, Palestina, almost whole of Africa as countries and people or else you would be agains all western powers too?
can you cite the specific quote where i proclaimed my support for western powers invading iraq, iran, yemen, a good part of south america, palestina and almost the whole of africa
is this deflection so people stop talking about russia doing the things youre supposedly against, or is having an issue with something because i have moral convictions as opposed to because the wrong team is doing it just incomprehensible
very illustrative of my point either way, thank you for your comment
Lol talk about a shit take.
We lost a bastion of socialism
No you don’t get it, the USSR had red fascism and was secretly capitalist, the only way to build socialism is to support NATO expansion and back the US in the coming war against China for Taiwan.
Once all AES countries are bombed back to the stone age the Western left will finally rise up and demand… more social democracy!
There’s no need to support NATO expansionism, Putin’s cockups are basically free advertising.
So what would you rather have? a more multipolar world where russia has a relatively safe and solid position after showing that it won’t be bullied into submission by nato (with the whole world watching), or a world where russia is balkanized into several statelets without the political, economic or military strength to resist capitalist infiltration?
The 2nd one
At least we came to the conclusion that your thing is that you hate russia and its people and just wish them harm
yall are embarrassing
Hey, I resent that! That’s a totally inaccurate characterization.
I also hate the CCP and wish them harm.
Least brainwashed lib
Sorry, I can’t hear you over the sound of my
S U P E R I O R F I R E P O W E R
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Wait… that bear is decked out in full combat fur and standard issue bear arms. No Russian soldier is that fortunate.
Hes also not raping the other bear
That’s a pig.
boar*
Go fuck yourself, Tankie.
It’s heartening to see them being diluted away into irrelevance as the Threadiverse absorbs the users from Rexxit.
Yeah the first few days on here were rough. I almost feel like it was deliberate to try and make this place unpalatable, but then again, I’ve met total knobs* like this in real life too…
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So this thread didn’t go how you thought 🤔
Looks fine to me.
The war in Ukraine isn’t going how you thought 🤔.
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I just looked at Lemmygrad.ml. The rules on that site say “be respectful”.
Your attached picture shows you are not respectful at all. You are supporting Putin, a dictator, who rigs elections, and who orders assassinations of political opponents (Navalny) and former Russian intelligence agents (Skripal, Litvinenko).
And of course Putin has in no way been respectful towards Ukraine. Invading Crimea in 2014, and the larger invasion in 2022.
So, you are being disrespectful towards Ukraine, and therefore you’re not embodying the stated rules and values of your Lemmygrad server.
That community will ban anyone who questions their Christi fascist oligarchy. It’s weird how a bunch of pretend communists can worship the an extreme right wing, genocidal, theocracy ran by oil tycoons who run around in yachts while the working class is thrown to meat grinder.
Christi…fascist oligarchy? That’s not us, that’s Adrian Zenz’s wet dream lmao
People like this is why I am very suspicious of everyone who calls themselves a “Marxist-Leninist” online, because chances are, they read neither Marx nor Lenin and are actually just fascist larpers
basically the same as The Donald.
19 yo edge lord thinking being extreme is cool
“Disagreement is disrespectful” is a fun take from someone who calls communists authoritarian.
“Disagreement is disrespectful”
Your brain on Neoliberalism in a nutshell.
🤓
Wait until you find out what the US and NATO have been doing…
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Homophobia is gross
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You excuse homophobia because Russia is homophobic?
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He’s a neo Nazi for pointing out that the author of the article is the Ukrainian Prime Minister? I don’t follow.
Go fuck yourself, Tankie.
GDR was a fucking authoritarian travesty fyi
I guess this is why East Germans miss the GDR…
Today, 20 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, 57 percent, or an absolute majority, of eastern Germans defend the former East Germany. “The GDR had more good sides than bad sides. There were some problems, but life was good there,” say 49 percent of those polled. Eight percent of eastern Germans flatly oppose all criticism of their former home and agree with the statement: “The GDR had, for the most part, good sides. Life there was happier and better than in reunified Germany today.”
Around 1/3 of the GDR population fled to the DDR or other nations. If nothing else, the polling would be among those that remained.
the German wall came down when he was 10.
And
“Not even half of young people in eastern Germany describe the GDR as a dictatorship, and a majority believe the Stasi was a normal intelligence service,” Schroeder concluded in a 2008 study of school students. “These young people cannot, and in fact have no desire to, recognize the dark sides of the GDR.”
It’s not hard to be nostalgic if you dream up an utopia. Then again most nostalgic thoughts ignore the reality, but these younglings coupled with boomers from the generation that voted brexit through in Britain are on another level.
People miss the GDR because it’s antiestablishment and because a lot of people want what they don’t have. If the GDR was to exist again (and definitely after they made one or another fuck-up) people would want a united Germany again. This is the same reason why opposition parties usually fair better during the next election.
If the GDR was to exist again people would want a united Germany again
True, but it would be the GDR annexing West Germany this time 😍
Stalin’s biggest mistake was stopping at Berlin
I’ve got nothing against the GDR ideology wise but I value criticism. I want it to be heard, not repressed, because you can learn more from your critics than from those who cheer you and repressing it will not actually make anything better, but worse. And it saves you a lot of time and money that you can use on things that really matter.
In general I’d prefer a government to be open towards criticism and transparent in their actions. I know that governments like this are practically non existent but let me just dream for a second.
So if the GDR was more open towards criticism I’d take it back.
go volunteer in Russia if you love it so much
says the guy cheering for ukrainian people to be sent to be slaughtered just to slow down russia and rake in some millions for the MIC
nice projection, like I said if you love getting fucked in the ass by dictators move there yourself
if you love getting fucked in the ass.
This is homophobic
lol i don’t “love” Putin. You can see that in my other comments.
What i am saying is that your side is the one cheering for even more arms shipments so that even more ukrainians can be sent to die in an unwinnable war to “teach russia a lesson”. Literally no one here is arguing in favour of shipping arms to russia or supporting them in any meaningful manner.
The truth is, that much like the collective west, the average slavic subhuman is just currency to you. Ukrainian authorities are on their 9th wave of mobilization, snatching people off the streets and literally camping outside of hospitals in order to catch men who go there to get treatment. Your side thinks this is cool and good because you just can’t allow russia to win.
If your warmongering side wasn’t constantly pushing for escalation and arms shipments, the two sides would’ve negotiated a deal a year ago when the frontline froze.
So, if you are willing to fight to the last ukrainian just to stick it to Putin, go there yourself. I did not want this war, i do not cheer for it, i do not wish to see it escalate. You do.
Russia can always preserve their military by going home, otherwise they can continue slowly but surely demilitarising themselves
an unwinnable war
Buddy I got some bad news for you
He’s almost certainly already there
