Remember Democrats, if he’s the Democrat option come election time it’s TOO LATE TO bitch!!
Fucking primaries!! They matter they are the only real choice! Organize, cavas suppot real progressives!
But once the national election comes up, I better not hear any fucking bitching, and you better line up becuase 4 years of president Vance is going to kick you in the nuts.
On the side of the billionaires and the zionists. He’ll be the next president for sure.
just having lived in california is enough for a lot of states to vote against you
I got a fiver that says he has to try to walk this back when he runs “the most progressive campaign in us history” in 2028.
I mean, how lucky are we? Hillary, Biden, Kamala, all with “the most progressive platform” ever!
oh yeah, totally feeling lucky, think I’ll go buy a lottery ticket.
edit: I lost.
What’s “progressive” about ignoring 999,999,999 dollars? Focusing on an arbitrary number isn’t smart.
The only reason Newsom has had any interest from the broader electorate is that he was outspoken in opposing Trump. The minute he enters the primary and starts spouting the same valueless, donor-approved, corporate drivel as Kamala, Jefferies, Schumer, etc., he’s going to flame out fast.
You mean idiots will refuse to vote for him while refusing to scrutinize his opposition.
I feel like people have completely forgotten that Kamala was at like 3% when she bowed out of the primaries.
The hatred of trump might propel a dem who otherwise has no chance. like when Biden won. Against any competent republican he would have been clobbered.
She was the vice president, the person we choose to take over when a president is incapacitated. I would love to hear about all the ways she’s worse than Trump.
Nothing more infuriating to see people thoroughly scrutinize one candidate while absolutely refusing to do so for the other.
FINALLY. Someone thinking about the billionaires.
Can we stop being stupid?
This doesn’t mean he thinks billionaires shouldn’t pay more taxes. It means it’s childish and stupid to focus on a single number when it comes to actual policy.
We deserve it. Eating our own tail for years as the world burns and everyone points fingers.
“b… b… bUt alL tHe BiLliOnAiReS wILl rUn aWAy. TRiCkLe DoWn eCoNoMiCs, sOmeThIng, SoMeThIng” - bootlicking cunt
Newsom has received campaign cash from billionaires such as Netflix co-founder Reed Hastings, philanthropist Laurene Powell Jobs, and former Google CEO Eric Schmidt, among others.
Remember it’s all true! Just look at all the millionaires & billionaires that left NY City after the recent election of ZOHRAN KWAME MAMDAN /s
I wouldn’t vote for Gavin if he was the Democratic candidate. He is just as horrible as the other Democrats.
We need true change and true leaders that will change the government to work for the working class instead of the wealthy.
Trump 3.0 here we come
I wouldn’t vote for Gavin if he was the Democratic candidate. He is just as horrible as the other Democrats.
For fuck’s sake, you people are so ridiculous. It’s like you don’t even care what Trump is doing to the country. Fuck any “progressive” who helped bring him back to power.
AOC is over 35…
Yeah. They’ve already turned on her here. Lemmy keeps pushing further and further left that anyone right of Stalin is a fascist MAGA conservative.
And voted to continue funding Israel. And Sanders voted for “Biden’s crime bill”.
So who would you vote for? JD Vance? Or you throwing your vote away and letting JD Vance win anyway?
So even before the primary we can only choose Vance or Newsom huh. Can you make this into a trolley problem I can visualize?
No one said anything about Vance.
This has to stop. You CANNOT ignore the Republican opponent. It’s fucking ridiculous. Why do you not apply ANY scrutiny to the Republican candidate? You know they take over when the Democrat loses, right?
Who do think is running in place of Trump? The name is irrelevant. It is the Republican nominee. They are all complicit in genocide it doesn’t matter who it is. It will be the democrats and the republicans. Any other party is a vote for maga.
Are you that naive to think otherwise?
Naive is when Americans are corralled to think into the way that you are thinking now. Why is it no one mentioned about primary-ing progressive alternative to Newsom? Everyone quickly assumed it’s Vance and Newsom immediately in the next presidential election.
Because therr is no one else running. Where is your candidacy announcement?
Why do you think Vance and Newsom are running? Where is your candidacy announcement? Americans are so pacified by their media.
If a candidate wins, the blame doesn’t go on those who didn’t vote for them.
There’s way more blame on you for supporting a bad candidate despite people on your side telling you clearly and well ahead of time that they are not voting for them. You voted for a nonviable candidate, you’re the one who wasted your vote.
We don’t owe the Democrats any votes just because they aren’t Trump. They must earn it. We don’t accept that we should vote for “the lesser evil” so you can keep your privileged life comfortable, while throwing us vulnerable minorities under the bus.
You are confusing the democratic primary with the presidential election. I don’t support Gavin Newsome. However if my choice is a Republican or him I choose him. Not sure where you live but if you’re American you’re severely misinformed about how our system works. My guess is you voted third party then last year and essentially approved the genocide by Israel since trump blatantly said he supports then.
You’re the confused one, unfortunately. You’re just regurgitating Democratic party nonsense.
By voting for a lesser evil, you are still in fact voting for evil, and you’re okay with it because at least the lesser evil doesn’t touch you and yours. You don’t give a shit about minorites and the poor the Democrats use as rhetoric and abuse, you don’t care about the illegal war crimes funded by your tax dollars, you don’t care about genocides of brown people, they don’t affect you and that’s good enough for you.
If you had principals and you stuck to them, you’d vote for a candidate that upholds those principals, not just talks about them around elections. By voting for whatever the Democrats force down your throat, you reward the neo-liberal machine and keep it in power. You’re not saving the country, you’re not saving your children’s future, you’re just giving yourself a little bit more comfortable life, and damned by the consequences.
You blame us for refusing to vote for a candidate that promised to kill more and more of our people, and you’re confused why we don’t see it your way. We don’t get the benefit of your lesser evil, because it’s evil to us.
Vote for your lesser evil, they’ll lose again because we’re again telling you loudly we’ll not settle at the cost of our children being shredded to pieces by you party’s bombs, and again you’re to blame for the eventual result: fascist takeover.
And this is all assuming it hasn’t happened yet and there will be free elections anymore, and I’m not convinced you’ll have a true choice next time anyway.
Another reason to not vote for Newsom. He may be younger than Pelosi and the other Geronocrats, but he is still corrupt as hell.
Good, it’s stupid to focus on an arbitrary number like that. We need real policy, not buzzwords. There should be a progressive income tax without loopholes or avoidance.
Gonna have to change that stance if he wants to run on the Dem ticket in the year of our lord 2028.
Cuz everyone gonna be REAL fucking mad at billionaires by then if things keep going the way they are.
The Dems rigged the election against Bernie to protect billionaires, then had a court declare that they were legally within their right to rig it. What makes you think they care how angry the average person is at their owners?
Because that anger can’t bottle up forever without some real life consequences
Nothing will meaningfully improve until a class revolution takes place.
I genuinely hope so, but at the same time, polling shows conservatives and moderates don’t currently hate billionaires - they think of them as smart job creators. We have to change their hearts and minds on this, they are hearing nothing but propaganda from the billionaires themselves, all of it blaming brown and black people for their woes.
Killing multiple birds with one stone, we need to educate people on what’s actually happening instead of assuming they’ll just break down and join our side (which also applies to a number of other issues). We don’t have an education apparatus right now which is a huge miss. Education campaigns need to be running billboards and commercials explaining what we already know and take for granted.
I foresee the rich having a big change of heart out of nowhere, shutting down all polluting businesses and investing their fortunes in humanity.
Included in the bill:
The proposal includes a provision that would tax former California residents for up to 10 years after they move.
Seems totally fair! I’m sure so many of you would have no issues with this at all! Right?
Also, as Newsom has stated his reasoning is that it causes fiscal instability that would drive out businesses and hurt state finances. Furthermore, he has said he is willing to work on broader solutions to the issues. But yeah, as usual- don’t let this get in the way of whatever fabricated bullshit take is currently being used and accepted without question.
It’s pretty evident from the comments here that no one learned what happens as a result of ignorantly believing that good is the enemy of perfect, and will be perfectly happy to repeat the mistakes of the past.
And lastly, I know this is a nuanced take on the matter, and nuance is generally considered an enemy of the state here, so I’m fully expecting to be accused of being whatever the current ad hominem of the week is. (Is it still “bootlicker? It’s hard to keep track. I know “bLueMaGa” was popular a while back)
But be that as it may, to me, it won’t make what I said wrong. Just- disagreed with.
If this is the Democratic candidate, and there is no adequate progressive 3rd party candidate, 2028 will be the first election I sit out since 2000.
I am DONE accepting milquetoast corporate right wing democrats just because they aren’t literally insane. John Kerry was my first, and Kamala Harris is my last. I swear to fucking god.
I feel that.
It fucking blows my mind that with all Trump is doing, you people STILL refuse to learn what happens when good is positioned to be the enemy of perfect.
Heads up bud-
There will NEVER be a candidate you will like. Because ALL of them know how the game is played. YOU don’t. And as a result of this, from your perspective, they will all fail you in one way or another… guaranteed.
So go ahead and pout and stay at home all because a perfect candidate isn’t running. The rest of us will be voting against fascism while you’re enjoy those cartoons on Election Day.
I guess you missed the part where I said I’ve done exactly what you are suggesting for nearly 30 years now. I mean, what’s the definition of insanity, again?
I’m not looking for a perfect, ideal candidate. I’m looking for a candidate that doesn’t continue to help the right shift the Overton window further in their direction. Especially in the case of corporate power and campaign finance. That’s it. Bill Clinton was why my first vote was cast was for Ralph Nader. George Bush, and everyone blaming him on people like me, was why I “fell in line” with the Democrats. I’m done playing their games until they’re done playing the Game you are referring to. Democrats have become complacent, feckless, and lazy. They need to learn how to earn a vote like mine again. Zohran understood this. Sorry, I’m voting for whomever I feel like from now on.
Oh I didn’t miss anything. And my oh my that’s certainly a lovely paragraph of hot-button topics you got there! Straight out of the Far-Leftists Playbook that outraged so many into not voting against fascism.
Yeah, I feel you. I also feel the person responding to. In this case, if we’re going to reflect on the past, I’d like to see a considerable share of the blame placed on the millions (what 84 million?) that actually voted FOR Prince Don. If we’re looking to the future, I’d suggest that any person seeking voter support be meaningful and have good faith effort solutions.
Awful hard to convince people to care if their ending is the same either way.The ending is NOT the same either way. And suggesting it would be is in very bad faith.
The shit we’re dealing with would not have happened under Kamala’s presidency.
Same old same old
