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Economic concerns and growing disenchantment with both parties is draining support for Trump among Gen Z young men, a key bloc of support during the 2024 election
Male Gen Z voters are breaking with Donald Trump and the Republican party at large, recent polls show, less than a year after this same cohort defied convention and made a surprise shift right, helping Trump win the 2024 election.
Taken with wider polling suggesting Democrats will lead in the midterms, the findings on young men spell serious trouble for the Republican Party in 2026.
Younger Gen Z men, those born between 2002 and 2007, may be even more anti-Trump, according to October research from YouGov and the Young Men’s Research Project, a potential sign that their time living through the social upheavals of the Covid pandemic and not being political aware during the first Trump administration may be shaping their experience.
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It only matters if they vote.
Eh. For people choosing to vote for a fascist or sit out the election, the better choice is to sit it out. We should accept the little victory of them not voting at all if the alternative was Trumpism
They’re going to pretend so women will talk to them and keep voting for facist turds
I feel like that’s where we were before 2010 or so. Are these are the “traditional values” I keep hearing about?
Not too long ago I read that young men are becoming right wing and are becoming more religious. But then I see articles like the above or articles saying that fewer and fewer people are religious. So I wonder what the reality actually is.
Maybe more women are dumping religion. This would be the natural backlash from taking their reproductive rights away, because it’s very common to become sceptical when some ideology starts to hurt you.
why not both
Reality is what they tell you it is.
Realizing you got played like a fiddle makes you take a step back. I won’t hold my breath that we’ll see real change here, but the sheep are at least becoming concious of the wolves.
Any reason for this? Higher education? Developing brain? I mean, whatever the reason, it’s good. I’m just curious as to why.
Half of Gen Z doesn’t remember a time when Trumpism wasn’t normal. They don’t know how the economy should be, how diplomacy should be, anything. They just heard Trump saying Biden was a pussy, and Biden acted like a pussy, so they believe Trump was the only reliable narrator. It took these people a great deal to overcome it - I heard a lot of younger people saying Trump was the peaceful, anti-war President. Now that they realize that was a lie, other dominoes are falling.
I heard a lot of younger people saying Trump was the peaceful, anti-war President.
This is such a big factor, imo.
The democrats refuse to budge from this neocon position of “benevolent interventionism.” and Trump has been able to attack them over both parts of it, which allows him to appeal both to libertarian types who want to stay out of conflicts because “the government doing stuff is bad,” and to nationalist types who want to just overtly plunder everywhere (with his actual policy being the latter). Meanwhile the democrats just cast anyone who disagrees with them on foreign policy as a Russian bot. They’re stuck in the early 2000’s where there was overwhelming bipartisan support for “bringing democracy” to the Middle East, and they seem think if they can just pick up the “moderate Republican” neocon voters who definitely exist and still believe in that project, then they’re sure to win.
The effect is that they fail to capitalize on the ideological divisions that exist on the right. The actual Republican voters that there would be a chance of peeling off are the libertarian anti-war types, but that would require actually trying to appeal to anti-war voters instead of treating them with contempt.
I don’t fully agree. There’s plenty of people on the Near Right that are primed for switching to Democrat as both parties marched to the Right. Some already have. The ones who haven’t are either held back by social pressure or Democrats position on Guns.
Clinton and Kamala both tried to appeal to that “near right” and failed. Social pressure isn’t going to magically disappear, I can agree with the point about guns but that just ties into what I’m saying. If anyone on the right can be appealed to, it’s the isolationist, pro-gun libertarian types. You will never win the nationalists, they already have a party that is giving them exactly what they want.
This is the thing I fear with autocratic/fascists in this country. If your normalize it to the following generations they’ll accept it. Why it’s important to at least be loudly against it even if it’s online. Don’t let them ever control the narrative exclusively.
Shifting narrative, it’s part of the perpetual political swing.
Shit is always going to suck, and people have attention spans that last maybe 3 years at the most. Shit is sucking right now, and people are associating that suckiness with the people and faces who appear on their TV.
For further evidence of this very dumb, simple phenomenon, look at 2024 exit polling in the presidential election. Overwhelming results said that average Americans saw eggs and other basic necessity prices skyrocketing and connected that to Biden being in power, so the reaction is to over-correct and pick someone as far from Biden as possible. People weren’t thinking about policy, people don’t watch news or listen to debates. People get their information from 30 minutes of Facebook memes every sunday night while getting ready for bed.
People get their information from 30 minutes of Facebook memes every sunday night while getting ready for bed.
Yup. People aren’t responsibly informed and I don’t see this changing without a major push to revamp our educational system to include courses in critical thinking and how to deal with misinformation. And I don’t see that happening. So I think we’re pretty well fucked.
Charlie Kirk was a big gathering point for that age. Without him, they are rudderless, until somebody steps up to replace him, which will take time.
Until then, it’s a perfect opportunity for Dems to employ their own propaganda, and steer these people in a better direction. Give them a strong warrior leader they can believe in, who isn’t an obvious phony like Newsome, and they’ll switch their allegiance. But the window of opportunity is short, and now that they see the momentum shifting their way, the Dems have to move fast to recapture them for the Midterms.
It’s very possible to flip these voters, which could be most helpful in flipping barely red districts, but I also have great confidence in the Dems screwing up this golden opportunity.
As a Gen Z American Citizen, I was NEVER ever maga
And I’m proud to say that I’ve never been fooled, not even once.
Just be wary and remember that those behind these moves are not necessarily democrat or republican. They have contingency plans for whatever party is in power, and they will attempt different strategies that may be designed to work on you.
Yea I know.
I’m a foreign-born non-white Naturalized Citizen, I aint ever gonna support xenophobic policies xD
That’s almost certainly because somewhere in your life, someone taught you Critical Thinking Skills, and you can recognize bullshit propaganda almost instantly.
Learning Critical Thinking Skills is as important as learning to read, and basic math. Conservatives hate it, because it interferes with their propaganda, and are trying to ban it from the public school curriculum (even though it’s heavily stressed in private schools, because it’s an essential leadership skill).
AAAnd becoming gropyers
Not sure I can ever trust them. Seems like their brains are made of Swiss cheese.
So far, the Gen Zs that have entered Congress, like Max Frost, have been spectacularly successful. We need a lot more of them in government. They know they have the rare opportunity to steer America in an entirely new direction, and they are ready to go to WAR over it.
I’ll take ANY Gen Z over that cowardly bitch Schmuck Schumer, any day.
It’s amazing to me to see how gen z acted after the neo-liberal boomers destroyed the economy and shit all over millenials. Millenials were blamed for everything. I’d have thought gen z would have gone hard left after seeing how their siblings and even in some cases parents were treated, but instead they were easily manipulated by russia and 4/8chan into stupidity. Instead we got gen z who was already fucked over by trump once to vote for him.
Every generation learns too late that old white men are not their friends and don’t have their best interests at heart. Only with gen z it mattered more than ever in history and they blew it.
They made a mistake in their first big election, and now many seem to realize how fucked over they were. That will stick with them for LIFE, and many will never trust the right for the rest of their lives.
Don’t forget, many were voting at 18/19, only knowing life in their hometown. In 2028, many will be graduating from college, and they’ll have had a much wider experience with other people and ideas, and won’t tolerate MAGA bullshit as easily, especially when they recognize that MAGA policies are intended to oppress them for the rest of their lives.
The atomization of our perspectives is what allowed the cancer to metastasize.
Most people don’t browse forums, most people don’t read news stories, most people don’t fact-check or watch debates or listen to pundits talk for more than 3 minutes.
This should normally lead to rapidly shifting political landscapes, but we’re all being a carefully cultivated feed of validating and self-affirming information that makes people feel a lack of involvement and urgency. You see it right here on Lemmy, people are reposting all the pandering news site bullshit every day “Trump and MAGA is collapsing!” “Trump HUMILIATED by latest release!” “GOP is crashing and people are fleeing the sinking ship!”
For every headline like that you read, people who lean right are seeing the exact opposite. And since we’ve all isolated ourselves from social connection, we don’t see how atomized our worlds are, we just assume everyone is seeing the same headlines and it makes us complacent.
and the rub is to understand this… you’d have to have your foot in both feeds. which is difficult to do unless you do so deliberately. which 99.9% of people aren’t ever going to do.
any if you are not part of the bias-confirming group, you will be harassed, reported, and banned. people don’t want to hear narratives outside of the ones they have already chose as ‘truth’.
just the fact that i go and check the headlines of Fox news, for example, would makes me an awful human being corrupted by evil, according to the lefties. You can only be truly left if you remain ‘pure’ and live in your bubble and never interact with someone outside of it.
I guess it depends on how much they dip their feet in. I have seen people who hate watched Fox News long enough that they became fans and eventually Republicans.
easily manipulated by russia and 4/8chan
Are you sure that’s by Russia and not some further manipulation?
Not for any altruistic reasons, probably because no woman will touch them once they find out they’re a mysogynistic rapist-supporting bigot…
FINALLY! And fortunately I NEVER EVER supported MAGA. In fact I don’t support fascism at all!
Not even a little as a treat?
MAGA_IRL
Best comment in post.
Reeeee were left America steer into cOmUnISm…
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A depressing number of people who are “right wing” will share socialist beliefs but totally shutdown if you mention “that’s socialism”.
You could edit this very lightly and actually distribute it in conservative spaces and people would connect with it.
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“Why yes, I think the tax money I pay should go towards social safety nets in case I or my grandma gets sick and can’t work.”
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“Why yes, I don’t think getting sick should make me have to close down my business and sell my house to CHINA.”
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“Why yes, I think people should just enjoy whatever they wanna do with each other in the privacy of their own homes, I don’t need government shoving it down my throat every day or making LAWS about what people do with their genitals.”
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“Why yes, I also think adults should be able to drink or smoke what they want, lets tax it and use that money for better border security!”
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"Why yes, I am sick of rich fucks deciding what I can and can’t do, I value my FREEDOM and no one person should have so much money that they can decide MY future. Tax them and put that money towards [insert right-wing fear thing here.]
Then end it with. “That’s all I want as a FREEDOM LOVING AMERICAN, so why are so many people trying to make this an argument? Why are rich people trying to make the things we agree on into politics? KEEP POLITICS OUT OF MY FREEDOM”
Yes it’s kinda dumb, but I think I’m actually going to make the thing and distribute it.
Do it! And show us when you do!
Go for it, Brother! The Left needs to enthusiastically embrace propaganda in all its forms. That’s the ONLY reason that the Right has the power they do. They certainly didn’t gain power by telling everyone how they intend to enslave and oppress us, as they gleefully luxuriate in their open corruption.
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With the exception of maybe lgbt rights and saying that they will raise taxes on the wealthy (but not actually doing anything meaningful, lip service only) what American politician of any party supports these positions?
Also fwiw ubi ultimately is just a pittance to allow flawed power structures to be maintained. It’s a stopgap measure that keeps people like bezos and musk around but just softens their power, for now. “Give the peasants their meager wages so they’ll shut up” kind of thing. True equity means wrestling control of the means of production to workers to mitigate the power of those oligarchs for future generations, and not just until they decide UBI would be something that’s annoying to pay for
True equity means wrestling control of the means of production
It’s one election away. The workers have the power to change it now and for future generations. Actually it’s the last time they will have that power. Once general AI exists that power will be gone forever.
Valid. We haven’t lost yet, but they are trying to convince us that it is all over. We need to dissuade them of that opinion. Ruthlessly. Mercilessly.
We have to dissuade us of that opinion. Enduringly. With compassion.
True, that’s Step 1, which is why I’m speaking out these days. We have to have our people fully mobilized by Election Day, and demoralize the MAGAs at the same time. We might not be able to convince them to vote for a Democrat, but maybe we can persuade them to not vote at all for pedophiles and criminals, which is the next best thing.
I don’t get it. Did Biden support those? Are we talking American right wing or European right wing?
They both serve the same Sociopathic Oligarch bosses, but just like your workplace, some managers are cool, and some are total assholes.
But if you want a new system, you need get rid of both managers, because just because one is somewhat better than the other, the ultimate goal to enslave and oppress is the same.
We either need to force the managers to serve us, out of fear, if necessary, or we will bypass the “managers,” and deal with the problem at the source.
And they won’t like that at all.
It reads to me like it’s meant to take down the “the left wing in America is still right wing in most of the civilized world” assumption that’s buried within the political alignment graph.
And I think there’s also a potential disconnect where one party could be thinking “american democrats = right wing” while the other is hearing “individual leftists in america = right wing” which world be a lot more likely to elicit a response.
They can prove it by voting like it.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
It’s just the nature of the population who will flock towards an authoritarian, they’re not making rational, thought-out choices, they’re JUST following a narrative of feelings. It could flip 180-degrees the next day and they will go with that new storyline if it validates their anger or frustration or just the need to follow a soap-opera of pundits and angry shouting people on TV.
