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The federal Liberals are seeing a dive in popularity among younger voters, once the core of their base, falling 23 points behind the Conservatives by the end of August, according to new polling from Nanos Research.
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One more time for the people at the back: POLLS ARE VOTER MANIPULATION
Polls and their news coverage gives people the impression that the outcome has been decided and demoralize / frustrate voters. It’s why Thug Ford won a majority in Ontario with just 17% of eligible voters.
SHOW THE FUCK UP TO VOTE, AND BRING THREE FRIENDS.
Reality has a well-known liberal bias.
Do you have any research on that you can point to? I was under the impression that polls are pretty good at getting people excited in some situations.
Polls: looks like the same shit!
Me: ties noose
Yeah, but sometimes it’s “looks like the NDP is becoming a major party out of nowhere!”, like back in the Layton days.
And then we got a Conservative Majority sooooo… Yeah
Were literally no better off than the Murikan 2 party system
FPTP does indeed suck.
From housing affordability to climate change, Trudeau attempted to reach out directly to the demographic that’s helped him win past elections
Really? From the guys who
- Did nothing about housing since 2015
- Won’t do anything about housing that might inconvenience developers and landlords in any way
- Is talking all sorts of “studies” and “consultations” on housing…
- …but bought a five billion dollar oil pipeline without having to go on any such consultative exercises.
Please. The Liberals know what they need to do to fix housing (regulation on investment & speculation, massive and direct public housing) and they know that it’ll help the youth vote. They don’t want to do it, though, because their donor class would scream and they–the Liberals–are allergic to direct public spending.
Until they can find a “market-based solution” they won’t do a damn thing.
And anyone who looks to the conservatives when they’re feeling “economically anxious” hasn’t paid attention to the complete trainwreck that austerity policy is. Think things suck now? Wait until the conservatives get in and do the exact same thing, only with more service cuts and tax breaks for the very rich.
Almost everything you’ve listed is provincial jurisdiction. We don’t have a national securities regulator because the last attempt at one was struck down by the SCC. Most business regulation is provincial, zoning is provincial, property taxes are provincial etc.
The BoC controls interest rates, but they act independently, the PM has no control over what they do beyond who they appoint to run it.
The only way they can get involved is with federal-provincial agreements. The provinces have deep connections with developers, so they’re not going to do anything about the real issues of restrictive zoning and so on. Just look at Doug Ford and the Green Belt fiasco.
If you want to fix housing, go after the province. Agree or not with what they did, interprovincial pipelines are a federal responsibility.
I’m quick to pounce on both-sides-ism, but OP seems to make a clear criticism of the Liberals policy history without venturing there. On several portfolios, they have done pretty good work, but to imply that they can do nothing on housing affordability is disingenuous. The feds used to fund public housing, and they could do it again. They could work directly with municipalities if the provinces object (which they probably wouldn’t).
They also regulate mortgage rules. Term lengths, stress tests, capital gains rules, etc. There are plenty of levers they could pull to make it easier for new home owners, and harder for real-estate speculators. They could also provide low interest mortgages, or interest relief, to designated groups.
The Feds have all sorts of their own levers they could pull to reign in the housing market. To date, the only levers they’ve pulled are to increase demand (RRPS withdrawls, shared equity (LOL), FHSA).
I think it should be clearer the Liberals has only done things where people pump even more money into real estate.
I really don’t understand why there’s any debate whether they would do anything for prices when the person who was their Housing Minister flipped houses and said investor like him was doing Canadians a solid.
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Why can’t they be financial?
They could cap tax exempt capital gains like the US does, not allow writing off mortgage interest on investment properties, add a flat tax for homes beyond primary homes (like Singapore), get back to building low income housing like they used to, mobilize a crown corp to build affordable housing etc etc.
They have all sorts of helpful options, and they have done none of them despite this issue being on the radar at the very start of the recent liberal rule. All they HAVE done is driven up demand with more programs that allow more and more debt to enter the market and prodded the banks to allow mortgage terms to swell up into 90 plus years in some cases.
Wonder if they’ll suddenly remember about electoral reform if they find themselves on the wrong side of first-past-the-post.
Nope, because they know that FPTP means they stand a chance at a majority in the future.
PR would mean permanent minority status, which, in turn, means both a) less corporate cash, and b) increased pressure to actually deliver on popular policy, rather than be caretakers for five years.
FPTP has benefitted the Liberals far more than any other other parties put together over the last 60 years.
The part I do not understand is why the press have chosen Squinty McProudBoy and his base of racists, assholes, idiots, fascists, nazis, white supremacists, misogynists, and anti choice jerks. Also zero policies other than Trudeau bad. Plus he is a rich entitled land baron who has never held a job outside politics. trump lite is not what Canada needs or will ever need.
Because the media is owned by the far-right billionaire class.
You ever see that graphic of newspaper endorsements over the years? It’s very blue. Particularly the American owned papers. No one’s looking into that foreign interference though.
Pretty sure he was a Drama Teacher,l. Like the time he grabbed a person in the House of Commons and dragged em though a group of people even though there was a completely open area to their left.
He’s a twat that’s for sure
Perhaps for the same reason why the press focuses on Trudeau and Squinty McProudBoy for Prime Minister despite them not being electable. The Prime Minister position is appointed. It means nothing to us.
I am sure the answer is, despite meaning nothing, because that is what the audience is interested in. People like to hear about famous people. The guy who lives next door that you can actually elect, and who will actually be important in your life, isn’t famous enough for us to want to pay attention.
Perhaps for the same reason why the press focuses on Trudeau and Squinty McProudBoy for Prime Minister despite them not being electable. The Prime Minister position is appointed. It means nothing to us.
Doesn’t that imply someone else is going to be elected? And while the post is technically appointed, they’re very much the figureheads of their parties in a given election.
The rest I totally agree with, though.
Doesn’t that imply someone else is going to be elected?
Yes, what I figuratively referred to as the guy who lives next door. Maybe not literally the guy next door, but someone who lives in your general area of the country, who is familiar with the people who live in your area of the country. This is who matters. They are who you are going to have to talk to every week for the following four years as you exercise your democratic obligation. You’d better like him!
they’re very much the figureheads of their parties in a given election.
That might be pertinent if we had a party-based electoral system. There are party-based electoral systems. Many think Canada should adopt one of them. But, for better or worse, we haven’t. We chose, and continue to use, the electoral system that encourages people to vote for individuals rather than parties. As such, this doesn’t mean much either.
I mean, seating in parliament is by party, and the government approved by the crown is all Liberal ministers. My local MP does absolutely nothing of note except occasionally campaigning and following the marching orders from his own party.
You’re right, the powdered wig guys in Britian centuries ago probably were envisioning it that way when they wrote the rules, but that’s absolutely not how the system works in practice.
We certainly stand by the right to freedom of association. But that is, again, only of concern to those in the union. It’s not of concern to the population at large. Our concern is only with picking someone local who we want to talk to on the regular. That is why we go through this hiring process, to select the person we want to talk to for the four years that follow, so that we will talk to them and not run away and hide from our democratic obligations. People have a tendency to do just that – that is, undemocratically never speak to their representative again – if they don’t like the person, which entirely defeats the purpose of hiring a representative in the first place. Choose wisely.
The way it is in practice is the only way, and it’s not going to change unless the system itself does. The rest is legal fiction.
Yes, we already discussed at length how the media focuses on the celebrities because people only care about celebrities. That is as true in politics as it is Hollywood or anywhere else. Such is human nature.
But they don’t matter. It’s just entertainment.
The most pressing issue for young people is housing/cost of living. Whether or not this is typically the responsibility of the federal government, paying only lip service to the issue or saying not my problem enrages people. The federal government needs to actually show some leadership and find some way to incentivize more housing (and specifically denser and affordable housing) at the local level or build it themselves.
While I definitely fault the libs for not doing more, I’m not impressed with the conservative or NDP takes on this issue either.
A lot of us are pissed at the lie about changing FPTP as well.
That’s why I won’t vote Liberal again. I wanted legalized weed and better elections.
It’s almost like young Canadians are tired of seeing useless policies that don’t benefit them be passed into law time and time again by the Liberal government. Good riddance Trudeau.
There is no political situation so bad it cannot be made worse by voting in elitist scumbags whose entire platform is ‘screw you hair guy’
It’ll be much better when all those useless policies get passed by the guy in the blue tie.
I’d rather both groups kick the bucket, but at this point we might see what the other group does.
Yes! NDP all the way!
To be fair, it’s not just young people. Even as a centre left vote I’m voting ABL next time, rewarding their lack of action on so many issues just isn’t an option.
What is ABL?
Anyone but Liberal. Can’t stand the Cons, esp PP, but no way can I vote team red.
So long as you don’t drop ABC, I can work with that.
We can’t regress.
Jagmeet has run out the clock too. The NDP should be making moves. The time is right. As usual they will not. Conservatives will fall ass backwards into power.
It’s housing. Which isn’t 100% fair since that issue is primarily provincial/municipal. But liberals have always known that the Canadian media (and thus voters) is too dumb for federalism and have never let that stop them from meddling in prov/muni issues before.
I’ll never support PP. Between environmental issues, LGBTQ issues, and his general skeevyness, I could never. But I don’t blame anybody who is getting renovicted and finding no place to live for noticing he’s the only one talking sense on the subject.
Tories want to build 1 million houses in three years.
NDP 500k in ten years.
Both short of the 3.5 million housing delta identified by CMHC.
I get it, this isn’t an easy problem, but fuck if we haven’t skipped to the “we tried nothing and we’re out of ideas” phase.
Immediate repeal of single family zoning and parking minimums, replace building tax with land tax.
“But my provincal/municipal freedoms!” Fucking keep them. You don’t have to implement any of the federal suggestions, you just don’t get federal funding to roads or transit.
“Why do you want to kill the
AmericanCanadian dream of the single family house?” I don’t. There is nothing stopping you from building a single family house, it just won’t be illegal to build other houses/buildings/dwellings.“I need parking minimums so I always have somewhere to park” good for you. Parking is a service, you you should start paying for it like people pay for every other fucking service. Business and homes are still allowed to build parking, they just aren’t forced to.
“Land tax, what the fuck? I have lots of land” yeah, and that downtown parking lot shouldn’t be paying next to zero on taxes, while it’s subsidized by 1,000 people living on shoeboxes on the same footprint.
I’m sorry, this topic riles me up.
Keep in mind that parking minimums, and the tax structure that means parking lots pay tax on their current “best use” value, not what they could be worth if they were used for something else like housing, are municipal and provincial. There may be a way for the feds to “outlaw” those practices, but it would be tricky to do legally. Otherwise, all they have is the occasional transit project $ carrot.
Yup
“But my provincal/municipal freedoms!” Fucking keep them. You don’t have to implement any of the federal suggestions, you just don’t get federal funding to roads or transit.
The fed spend ~15 Bn a year on infrastructure. I’m going to guess provinces and municipalities very much like slices of that pie.
I assume most municipalities (like more organizations) rely heavily on plagiarism of policy. If so, I’d suggest that a pre-prepared policy package would do well.
Thank god somebody who finally has something to say other than hurr hurr small pp.
I can’t help but wonder if his ridiculous appearance is designed to his his ridiculous policies.
At the risk of sounding defeatist, where got two parties feeding us shit; and we’re debating if vanilla or chocolate flavoured shit is better, instead of upgrading to eating mud.
They shouldn’t be in third place. They should be fourth or fifth place, behind the Rhinoceros Party, Centrist Party, and the Communist Party, or perhaps even the People’s Party.
None of the top parties will decide to work hard to make meaningful and positive change if a fire isn’t lit under all of them, and there’s no fire greater than an insignificant party suddenly becoming a legitimate threat.
And strategic voting has to be actually strategic. All of the parties play the long game, so we have to as well. If we never show them what we really want by voting for the people and policies we want, even when we think there is little chance of victory, none of them will ever see that we like those policies and people.
Given that we have no “none of the above” option that would force the election to be rerun with different candidates, the best strategy now is to vote for one of the fringe parties, ideally one that is satirical. At this point, there is no party that stands for what actually benefits the masses, so we might as vote for the jokers. Could it really be any worse than the mainstream parties that seem to be actively working against our interests?
The Rhinoceros Party then.
Besides, I like Rhinos, so that can’t hurt :P
I don’t know much about Canadian politics, but…
The data shows the Liberals in a distant third place for 18-29 year olds with 15.97 per cent, compared to the Conservatives and the NDP with 39.21 per cent and 30.92 per cent respectively.
It’s a dip for the Liberals, who were at 26.8 per cent at the beginning of August for the same age group. And it’s a boost for the Conservatives, who are up from 29.3 per cent at the beginning of the month.
That large of a swing over the course of a month seems like a red flag for the data. Did something happen that would explain the shift?
there has been a slight shift in sentiment of liberal attitude and policy after a tumultuous time of controversy for the party in the last few years, particularly the Justin T black face incident coming to light and whatnot. but with that said, it hasn’t swung the kids into full conservative social values that will make them vote conservative when it comes time to. this poll certainly is trying to capitalize on the zeitgeist instead of what people’s actual values and actions are/will be.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The federal Liberals are seeing a dive in popularity among younger voters, once the core of their base, falling 23 points behind the Conservatives by the end of August, according to new polling from Nanos Research.
“That means that the Liberal coalition that was built in 2015, the movement led by (Prime Minister) Justin Trudeau, is slowly unraveling, and they’ve got to reverse this trend if they want to have any chance to hold on to government.”
From housing affordability to climate change, Trudeau attempted to reach out directly to the demographic that’s helped him win past elections.
The prime minister is also meeting with his youth advisory board this week to hear its most “pressing concerns,” with the aim of informing future policy decisions.
Aside from a handful of exceptions, the Liberals have mostly stayed in third place among voters aged 18-29 since the beginning of the year, according to Nanos Research.
For voters in the 30-39 age range, while there’s been a closer back-and-forth between the Liberals and the NDP since January, the Conservatives have fairly consistently come out ahead, something Nanos chalks up to “economic anxiety.”
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Wow, he’s decently behind the conservatives too, I didn’t expect that. I guess it makes sense in hindsight; the NDP is better at cool kid energy and there’s multiple left-wing options, but only one right-wing option.
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NDP maybe.
