• cyrano@piefed.socialOP
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    19 hours ago

    If I threaten to assault my smaller friendly neighbor if he doesn’t give me part of his house and 1 of his kids, my neighbor who had my back after 9/11 and fought and died alongside my brothers in Afghanistan, and then apologists for me say “well he doesn’t really mean to execute his threat to assault you”, that does not make me a shrewd negotiator. It makes me a psychopathic garbage ally. That friend will seek other big allies. Don’t be surprised when this makes America poorer. If Trump keeps this up, you think Europe will have our back after another 9/11?

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      17 hours ago

      If Trump keeps this up, you think Europe will have our back after another 9/11?

      You’re right. As you said, Europeans supported the US after 9/11, and died in Iraq and Afghanistan in order to help the US. The only time that NATO article 5 has ever been invoked, it was Europe helping the US. I guess Trump and his administration have no appreciation of that at all.

      Like you say, Europeans will not want to help the US if a time comes. Public opinion will be against it.

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        You’re right. As you said, Europeans supported the US terrorism after 9/11

        This reminiscence sound so pathetic. Helping invade and kill innocent civilians aint supporting, you fuckwits were complicit in war crimes.

        died in Iraq and Afghanistan in order to help the US

        Ya, that happens when you invade people.

        This sudden call for morals when you’re the one in danger of being invaded is hilarious.

        Fucking hypocrites.

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        14 hours ago

        Trump is simply narcissistic, racist, and demented. He only cares about himself and how he can profit and stay out of jail. Thats all there is to it.

        It makes no sense to me when all of these heads of atate try to play chess with trump. He’s to stupid for chess, just assume he’ll do the selfish racist thing and you will be correct 98% of the time.

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          Anyone who’s been around someone with a serious case of NPD, or a toddler, knows exactly how to play Trump. EU leaders tried some of those games, but now that his dementia is off the cliff, he’s no longer predictable, time to cut the cord and get it over with.

          Easy to say, I know. I’m not responsible for my country’s economy and citizen welfare.

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    23 hours ago

    It should be thrown away, together with the Digital Omnibus (which only favors US Big Tech).

    Let’s start all over when the idiot calms down.

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          7 hours ago

          Vance will immediately catch all the blame for Trump’s actions. I do not envy his upcoming role.

          The cultists are aware on some level that this is all madness, but they’ve committed, can’t change their support.

          “It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”

          None of them rallied for Vance, and they’ll eat him alive the second he’s sworn in. With Trump dead, “These OTHER people fooled me!”

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          16 hours ago

          Depends on how the orange paedo dies…

          If it’s by natural causes, then it’s possible the couch fucker could be worse.
          If it’s by hanging from a rope then lowered into a guillotine for choppy choppy time then I’m pretty sure things will be different.

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          19 hours ago

          More than one individual can die at any time…

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          22 hours ago

          Maybe, but it will feel so good tho

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          20 hours ago

          Thing is, the election was rigged.

          Vance isn’t really the rightful owner to the throne.

          The fact that elections can be rigged, bragged about and not investigated, means it will happen again.

          Honestly he will simply cancel all elections now (at least until the only party you can vote for is his party).

          Sorry folks, this is the end of a 250 year empire unfolding before our eyes, not much you can do about it except to not be Chamberlain about it.

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        Nothing changes when he dies, other than a great party and wicked hangover. The Fascists are still in power, and they won’t have Nappy Mcpoopypants to stupid things up so much. Trump is the face of the problem, not the problem itself.

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          It ALL changes when Trump dies, overnight. No cult survives the death of the leader. Vance steps in, he’s immediately to blame for everything Trump did. Many of these fanatics are looking for an offramp from the madness, but they can’t turn on Trump. (They don’t know this, but they need a way to say they weren’t wrong.)

          Or, look at it from another angle, you think MAGA gives two shits about Hegseth, Miller, Bondi, Vought, Kennedy, Noem, et. al.? LOL, man-on-the-street doesn’t have a clue who those people are, but they’ll turn into targets without Trump’s cover.

          OR, think on this. Would Germany have continued down the Nazi path if Hitler had died early in the game? Hell, even if he died late in the game, think the people would have rallied behind Goebbels or Dönitz?

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            In Nazi Germany, there is no way to tell because it didn’t play out that way.

            I look to China, Russia and North Korea and I see evidence that power can survive succession.

            I hope you are right, but I wouldn’t count on it.

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          Trumpnappears to be compromised by Putin, if might be safe to assume the next person wont be.

          Trump appears to have dirt on a ton of powerful people due to their involvement with Epstien and other child rape clubs. I hope the next person has no such leverage.

          Without out the threat of russian assassination or blackmail, maybe the whole ugly thing unwinds with trump? One can only hope.

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            if might be safe to assume the next person wont be.

            This sentence seems to disagree with the one before and the one after. Russian muckymuks have leverage on the POTUS, the NRA, the GOP and god knows where else.

            There is no reason to believe anything will improve once the child rapist is gone.

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      16 hours ago

      Technically, stay where you are but keep working on this EU. I’ll probably lose my job since our customers are all European.

      Man this sucks.