The reason of course is money apparently defines what is “good”.
Considered by who? Who makes these rules?
I wasn’t intending to imply any rules. I was actually speaking about how people are indoctrinated to think that producing value for the elite is more important then doing what makes you happy.
And I’m asking according to who? Who believes this? I feel like a lot of these showerthoughts making claims about what is and isn’t socially acceptable only apply to people who care too much what people think. I personally “consider” well made fan fiction and fan videos respectable. And well made music and art regardless of whether it’s for money. Do opinions from people like me not count in what is “considered” good? Considered by who? The elite that you’re complaining about?
It is possible you have lived a sheltered life, and maybe also all of your firends have to. But just about everyone I know who puts significant time into a hobby has had people say judgy things to them about how much of a waste of time it is. Me personally not much more than my parents. But my more outgoing friends hear it all the time. The ones from foreign countries seem to hear it even more, and from people they barely know.
It is also commonly seen in media. This is of course anecdotal, but there is a lot of it. I haven’t seen anyone argue that it isn’t true untill maybe you, if that is what you are saying. If you haven’t seen this. Good for you. Be happy.I know people say judgy things. I’m saying the solution is not to worry what people think. That’s why I’m questioning who decides what’s “considered” socially acceptable. Why do you value the opinion of these judgy people more than you value the opinions of yourself and your friends who have these hobbies they care about? Why are they the decider of what’s “considered” acceptable? What about people like me who read and appreciate fan fiction, for example? Our opinions don’t count?
Since when is a strong work ethic at your hobby considered bad?
Pulling an all-nighter to shave 3 seconds off your Super Mario speed-run doesn’t pay the bills.
I mean it doesn’t pay the bills, but it does get you respect from other speed runners and from people who respect speed running.
It’s also somewhat a matter of your specific hobby … speed running video games is pretty niche and useless compared to most hobbies.
Like on one end of the spectrum, there are hobbies that help everyone, like volunteering, cleaning up or beautifying your community, helping friends and family and loved ones, or organizing community programs.
Everyone is going to respect the hell out of you for that, and it’s pretty easy to see those translate to jobs if you needed them to.
Then there are hobbies that can be beneficial to you or to anyone, like hobbies where you create stuff (whether it’s knitting, 3d printing, home renos, gardening, cooking, etc). These are much easier to use to help others, and to turn into side hustles if you want to.
Then there are hobbies that you like that create community and socialization, from playing team sports, to DnD groups, to parties, to multiplayer video games, to organizing dinners and events.
Then there are hobbies that primarily benefit you and benefit the community only indirectly (in the sense of you being a better or more capable person). This includes stuff like running, weight lifting, reading a book, etc.
Then there are hobbies that don’t even really benefit you but you do anyways, like watching TV, scrolling social media, or getting slightly better at a pointless mechanical skill.
Now compare how many people would consider a strong work ethic at the office bad to how many would consider spending a lot of time on DnD bad. The difference is massive. And don’t just think US or Europe. Consider the whole world. It won’t even be close.
Now compare how many people would consider a strong work ethic at the office bad to how many would consider spending a lot of time on DnD bad. The difference is massive.
I mean, again, no one is going to consider a hard work ethic at the office bad by default, because it pays for you and your family’s food and shelter.
If you flip the incentives around, i.e. you got food and shelter for playing DND and nothing but socialization for being at the office, then people would consider a strong work ethic at the office equally bad.
I think you see what I am saying. Money (which pays for the food and shelter) determines the value.
No, the necessity of food and shelter to your survival determines the value, money is just a unit of measurement for value.
Perhaps the problem is more that that is not a good hobby.
It’s not. While you can find negative people that will look down on or judge absolutely anything, for the most part OP is imagining this, at least for the majority of people. Or maybe they are just surrounded by toxic people…?
When someone makes works on a project for a long time and makes something really cool, you always get stuck-in-the-muds saying things like “Looks like someone has too much time on their hands”
What do you consider a strong work ethic at your hobby?
Dont agree at all. Everything you put work into and you’re getting good at is impressive.
Most of the time, your hobby also learns you other skills, that can be used in different fields.
And most importantly, you are more happy.
Think of how much the “train guy” gets made fun of for his super detailed scale model train set. Or the guys/gals that put a ton of energy and time into DnD. Both of those often involve a lot of math and planning. Which would normally be considered valuable skills, but spending time on those hobbies is generally (with exceptions of course) looked down on.
Yeah, maybe you are right that “pop culture people” would look down on it because it’s not mainstream.
I play DnD myself, so I guess I’m the wrong person to ask haha.
I am thinking more like figure the % of people who would look down on DnD time vs working late at the office. It’s massively different. There are people who know better, but they are in the minority.
Cant argue with that.
Probably you have a difference in opinion on whether your hobbies are perceived as ‘good’. I dunno: graffiti artist vs landscape artist.
Both can be dedicated, get highly proficient and be lauded by a sub-culture. Some people will see one as ethically ‘bad’ others won’t.
Granted as soon as they get a banksy on their wall and it’s worth money, most conservatives change their mind and sell it or charge admission. So there is a role for money to override peoples morality - but the dedicated graffitti artist can still be considered ‘good’ to their peers/gang/subculture even if it is worthless to others.
Employed is good but unemployed is bad.
A thing that is employed is called a tool. So being a tool is admired.
It’s a sick society.
If I went to practice 5 days a week, I don’t think anyone would complain. Except my old-ass body.
Depends on the work and depends on the hobby. I’d rather have a lazy ICE agent than a motivated one. It’s also better to put in more effort into not-for-profit activities like volunteering than in painting figurines or collecting Labubus, for instance, as the former is productive and edifying whilst the latter are not. Wouldn’t say it’s “bad”, but certainly a bit of a waste of time at the very least. And hey, I play videogames, sometimes obsessively so, so it’s not like I don’t know what I’m talking about or I’m just being unfairly, hypocritically judgmental, it’s just what it is.