This is a serious problem for y’all, I know you removed him as a site wide moderator, but it is simply not enough. You are endorsing someone who has a CLEAR pattern of silencing discussion about a particular group of people and if that doesn’t alarm you, you need to wake up and pay attention.
Looking back there is a repeated pattern of removing, silencing and acting derisively towards discussion about Palestine and the Palestinian Genocide from Jordan Lund both from my interactions with him and also from others I have found easily from searching.
Deal with this problem.
See this post
https://sopuli.xyz/post/42491951
…and this post.
@[email protected] hey Jordan is attacking user on other servers and breaking tos in multiple ways. Going to do anything about it this time?
Make sure to link to the other thread where the admins said it would be addressed as it’s obviously not
Agreed. Worst of the worst mod for several reasons.
They’re all comprador, at best.
They also hold the opinion that the only valid news sources are corporate and billionaire-owned news sources. They are a danger to the fediverse.
Per site bylaws on community mod removal, can you provide an argument for this case addressing the relevant rules directly?
See my linked posts for an exhaustive argument with sourced links and context. If you have any questions please ask.
I saw: still needs a proper argument.
What part needs to be elaborated? Ok I will format a comment if you want it just feels like copying and pasting into a format that loses even more context.
Futher, I am not sure I trust having a conversation with y’all here? Lemmy World needs to prove to me they won’t silence me because they don’t want to have a discussion about this before I invest time carefully wording and formatting a post here just for it to get silenced/removed.
I know this is a big headache for them, it would be so much easier to just call me a shrill troll who isn’t genuine in their beliefs at all and just wants to stir the pot, and that makes me extremely wary to invest my time making a point here in a way someone like Jordan Lund can flick with a finger and make go away.
When they do I will absolutely put in the effort of moving that kind of discussion over here, but until then sorry I just do not see proof of trust.
For now I refer you to the abundant links I gave that cannot be directly removed, silenced or taken down by Lemmy.World mods.
edit ok let me begin my conversation here with a quote from Jordan Lund
Please review the posts you had removed and explain how these are, in ANY way US Politics:
https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-replicating-its-gaza-war-tactics-lebanon
Any mention of US personnel? Policy? Politicians? No? Goes in World. Not Politics.
What the US media does or does not do is also NOT politics. Again, appropriate for World, not Politics.
Similarly, what US corporations do is not Politics. World please.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/there-no-ceasefire-gaza
You are correct, there is no cease fire in Gaza, who is doing the shooting? Israel.
None of these stories are remotely similar to stories about US mercenaries taking action in Gaza. That’s why they were removed from Politics.
https://lemmy.world/comment/22677703
…and so I open this conversation with a question to you, do you earnestly believe this is a functional, well adjusted way to moderate a Politics community? Can this strategy and way of understanding politics possibly work even outside the thorny question of US-Israel politics?
An explicit argument consists of citing the relevant rules, stating how they’ve been violated, and providing evidence. It shows you’ve done the bare minimum to show your claim is plausible. This is in everyone’s interest, especially yours as the interested party.
As basic advocacy, an explicit argument should be expected: if you’re unable to articulate a decent argument, then how can you expect others to do so for you? Leaving that guesswork to others may not necessarily work in your favor. Do you really want to leave the best argument to chance & the unreliable charity of others?
An objective, sound argument may draw popular support by convincing them your claim is legitimate & just and demands action regardless of where admin decision ultimately settles. Not attempting one, however, draws all of it into question.
Loser behavior.
I have, on the threads I linked, why should I trust my posts to be moderated in good faith here? It is obviously apparent at least some of Lemmy World staff are friendly with Jordan Lund, this is likely messy af for Lemmy World admin.
I have provided abundance evidence, so have others.
I provided the bulk of the evidence on a third party community for a reason, and it is perfectly rational.
Have you even bothered trying to contact admins before starting this up?
They have contact info that you’re supposed to use for shit like this
DM https://lemmy.world/u/lwreport
Email mailto:[email protected]
At this point what does a private conversation mean to everyone else who cares? I am just another loud annoying voice.
I want a public conversation NOT hosted on Lemmy World where people are publicly held accountable.
Because too many just want everything handled in private so it’s easier to ignore
precisely
You can’t talk about someone publicly for their public actions, that’s too mean.
You can banish users for talking too much about what mods don’t like, that’s fair game.
Because if you haven’t bothered to follow the internal process for that instance, then you’re just stirring shit, no matter how bad lund is.
Apparently the admins are fine with your post, so I’m fine with it too. Just saying that shit stirring is a pain in the ass and if you want to actually try to get a change made, you don’t start off by ignoring the established avenues of action.
It’s just a bad idea to essentially flip off the very admins that would be the ones to take any action when trying to get them to do so. People have limited patience for fuckery to begin with.
You do you I guess. But being real, this kind of thing is more likely to end up with people blocking you the same way they have lund and then what have you achieved? Nothing.
The admins already said they’re okay with it. Putting it here gives more visibility into all the issues jordanlund creates by his moderation style and comments in places he’s not a mod.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/24968209
And admins saying they are upset but not enough to do anything https://lemmy.world/post/36621226
At the time I made the comment, there were no statements from admins in the thread at all.
But if they don’t care, it’s all good :)
It’s okay for his behavior???
Huh? That makes no sense based on the comment you’re responding to
But if they don’t care, it’s all good :)
This still? Give it a rest.
Why dont you give us all a rest by posting your boring and abusive take someplace else. Looks like you are running interference for mod abuse so you should be banned along with Lund.
When he actually get removed for breaking rules that the admins have said he needs to stop breaking, sure.
