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The fact that we put people in power who believe fairy tales over objective reality is legitimately terrifying.
Same bullshit going on with Kegsbreath right now. Fucking lunacy.
I am pretty liberal but I think objective insanity should disqualify people from military command.
If a belief is widely shared within a culture or group, it is not classified as a delusion, even if it seems irrational from the outside.
So since believing in the end times is pretty normal in US cultural groups, then it is not insanity. So by your very own self-description as “pretty liberal”, you are obliged to not disqualify people like Bush II from having access to the nuclear suitcase…
Of course. Anyone who honestly believes in supernatural religions is insane. I said I was pretty liberal, not a fuckin Democrat.
Anyone who honestly believes in supernatural religions is insane.
Not according to the clinical definition of insanity!
Because the clinical community is infested with insane people who believe in sky fairies. Use your mind instead appealing to the authority of quack hacks that believe faith in obviously false things isn’t insane.
Its because, in the US, even though “nonreligious” was the fastest growing religious status for about 2 decades, the country and culture still heavily caters to religious zelots above all else.
Up until Trump, GW Bush was the dumbest president ever. Like Trump, he had a hard time focusing on his morning intelligence briefing, so they started making the first page a Bible verse. That way he looked forward to opening the file.
Eh? Reagan was an actor, and not a curious mind. And Reagan had literal Alzheimer’s, as widely reported. Surely Reagan was the dumbest?
Though we can agree that Reagan - Bush II - Trump were all incredibly stupid. Republicans just know how to pick them…
Alzheimer’s is NOT the same as being stupid, so while he WAS stupid, that’s not why.
It’s pointless to have an argument about which was the stupider president before Trump. I think it was GWB, you think it was Reagan, and there is no source that will decide it.
Alzheimer’s is NOT the same as being stupid
That is just word games with the dictionary definition of “stupid”. Having Alzheimer’s surely makes you hugely unqualified to make good decisions as President.
Of course it does, but Alzheimer’s is a tragedy. I’ve watched very intelligent people close to me succumb to it, and I am particularly sensitive about it. They weren’t stupid, just old, and it caught up with them. We shouldn’t let that define their lives, even if we don’t like them.
Alzheimer’s aside, Reagan wasn’t stupid, he was just a typical narcissistic, Sociopathic Conservative, who just didn’t care about regular people. He wasn’t stupid so much as just plain mean. AIDS emerged during his presidency, and he made the conscious decision to ignore it, and just let it spread among the gay community. That’s Evil, not stupid.
GW Bush was a typical frat boy nepo-baby, had everything handed to him, and squandered it anyway, then failed upwards all the way into the presidency, primarily due an open cheating scandal managed by his much smarter brother, who probably would have been the best presidential candidate in the family, before HW and GW burned the family political reputation for all time, destroying any chance he might have had.
That’s my take on it, and you are welcome to your own.
Roman Catholic here, born and raised, church every Sunday and catechism. As Roman Catholics, we don’t fuck around with reading the Bible. We daze off during the two readings and the Gospel, and we rely on the priest’s homily to sum it all up succinctly and with a couple of jokes sprinkled in.
18 years of going to church growing up and I don’t know what a Gog Magog is.
In the Hebrew Bible, particularly in the Book of Ezekiel (chapters 38–39), Gog is a leader (possibly a king?), and Magog is the land or people he rules. They are described as a hostile force that will attack Israel in the “last days,” only to be decisively defeated by God. In the New Testament (Book of Revelation 20:7–9), the names reappear symbolically. Here, “Gog and Magog” represent the nations of the world gathered for a final rebellion against God after a period of peace. They are again defeated in a climactic, apocalyptic battle.
Space king has more credible lore than this
People believe anything their religion tells them.
Really makes you wonder what would have happened if Revelation was just never accepted as cannon
Dunno, it likely wouldn’t eliminate apocalyptic thinking altogether since those themes were already present in earlier Jewish and Christian traditions. Revelation, just gave them a script to work with. ¯\(ツ)/¯
Woah woah… Slow down and throw a joke or two into that if you want me to absorb it.
Alright, alright, let me put the tinfoil on low heat for a second.
Old Testament: Gog is the boss, Magog is his turf and crew. They roll up for a big end-times fight… and get absolutely smote. End of story.
New Testament? Same names, but now it’s basically everyone and their cousin joining the rebellion. Bigger crowd, same outcome, still gets shut down.
So yeah… same names, bigger scale.
It’s like a sequel where the budget goes up, but the villain still loses in the last five minutes.
And let’s be honest, if your battle plan keeps ending in divine smiting, maybe… workshop the strategy.
That’s pretty danged good. Now do it as a limerick.
I gave it a shot, but not sure how it came out. How about this:
There once was a leader named Gog
Whose land, Magog, was part of the slog
They attacked in the end
Got smote ‘round the bend
And the sequel went global, same log
Not bad at all. Way to give it the ol’ college try.
There once was a bloke called Gog,
Who thought he could be “top dog”.
He fought with Israel,
Where soon he did fail,
Then he buggered off back to Magog.Nicely done.
Can’t say I’ve ever been good with limericks lol. I tend to be overly descriptive.
There once was a leader named Gog
Who ruled in the land of Magog
His forces were smote
Then again it was wrote
And Dubya’s as dumb as a log
Well, it’s not as far fetched as believing that a grifter found some golden tablets in the woods and a magic hat translated the markings for him.
Ya know, people believe strange things all of the time, but the thing that has always perplexed me about LDS is that Joseph Smith had a posse destroy the local newspaper’s press and died after shooting four people and falling out a window, but his religion lives on.
All that said, I dont like to pick on mormons. The mormons ive encountered have been very positive people that were raised with manners and a strong moral compass. They also have been very family focused.
I’m sure those traits are not 100% universal and The Secret Live of Moron Wives definitely tells a different tale, but in my personal experience having lived in Salt Lake City and a heavily Mormon town in Wyoming, Mormon folk are generally good people, and I credit their religion for a lot of it.
Their mission work is pretty danged cool and “Christian” and they’re preppers by religious mandate.
The Judeo-Christian God is self-absorbed, vindictive, violent, unpredictable, callous and often wrong. Joseph Smith well serves as a prophet in his image.
18 years of going to church growing up and I don’t know what a Gog Magog is.
I believe Gandalf killed one of them.
That’s balrog.
I think what you mean is a game service that sells old games, and my collection of such games.
That’s a monolog. Gog Magog is an Israeli martial art.
That’s Krav Maga. “Gog Ma’ Gog” is a vague and mispronounced instruction regarding one’s penis.
No, that’s “Crank my hog” Gog Magog is that crocodile cowboy from episodes 2 and 4 of the Amazing Digital Circus.
Religion for Breakfast has a nice video on what Gog and Magog is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh11CuVUZPY . They’re basically a group originally mentioned in Ezekiel that we don’t have alot of idea who they originally were, but they’ve been this recurring boogeyman through Judaism and Christianity as both groups keep trying to apply the name to whoever they think might be the biggest threat to Israel.
I also grew up Roman Catholic, but Catholic Bibles are really a thing. The reason Catholics don’t read the Bible is probably to do with timing. In the Second Vatican Council, one of the changes they made was this:
Dei verbum, the Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation emphasized the study of scripture as “the soul of theology”.
But see, the final release of Dei verbum was released in 1965. Everybody was used to not reading the Bible, so they only started teaching children a more Bible-oriented education after that, and it was sort of slow to roll out. But you see, those children were reaching adulthood in the late 80s and 90s, when people stopped going to church as much, and not too long after that, all of the sex abuse scandals really became a hot issue.
Twenty years isn’t really enough time to change generational norms. I would expect something like this to change over 2 or 3 generations, so 40 to 60 years, but the decline in attendance and in people seeking the priesthood has sort of reduced the Vatican’s control over specifics like this. And I think that’s why we still don’t see Catholics reading the bible.
I have a catholic bible – st joseph edition. It’s same bible as the protestants but a few extra books thrown in at the end.
Dude, Catholicism has been around since the days of St. Peter (if you believe the church’s timeline). Catholics dont read the bible because for like 1,940 years of the church’s existence, most people couldnt read. Generation after generation after generation was taught that reading the bible isnt necessary. The lutherans only had like 400 years of illiteracy to contend with, and I think they probably still read the bible less than the new-age 19-tickety revival spurred Community/Nondenominational Christians.
Maybe we’re saying the same thing in different words with different examples.
Isn’t gog magog a goose liver pâté? 🤔
I wouldnt know – im catholic.
Why is Iraqi field marshal Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri playing the role of Jacques Chirac here?
That’s a remarkable resemblance and a DAMN good pull. How did you have that ready?
Enough years of shitposting about politics and history to remember “iraqi general who looks like bryan cranston” and the good luck of DuckDuckGo knowing exactly who I was looking for.
Well color me impressed.
“Those damn Catholics” - George Bush probably
Also nothing has changed in regards to the United Slaves of Israel’s religious fanaticism, they really believe that creating “Greater Israel” and deporting all the Jews to Palestine will fulfill that “biblical prophecy” usher in the apocalypse, Jesus will return and kill all the Jews for not believing he’s the Messiah and judgement day will come.
And yet apparently the Iranians are the religious nuts 🤦♂️ Oh and also apparently this time Russia and China are Gog and Magog, which one’s Gog and which is Magog though is anyone’s guess.
I dont know about Gog, but Magog ils not where they expect it, https://www.ville.magog.qc.ca/ its rather Nice too.
Moloch also keeps showing up again and again in the lore of these people as a way for them to personally atone for their egregious activities. They believe this entity requires constant and significant sacrifice for good fortune. George Bush Jr was in attendance at Bohemian grove many times where the powerful people go to rub elbows and relax in the summer on a lake. They run a mock ceremony there called the Comfort of Care as part of the festivities where they do a mock sacrifice of a young women (presumably a virgin) to Moloch as a symbol of the entire years worth of their immoral actions to atone to Moloch. The idea being that they can then leave the mini vacation with less weight of how they have used their power in the past.
I think coverage of the grove as dramatization throughout the years regarding occult activity actually did us all a big disservice toward what the real issue has always been. That is, leadership without personal responsibility, and should be a major red flag when thinking about leaders at any capacity.
I wish I was making this stuff up. So it’s not totally off the wall here that George Bush Jr would be looking for other spiritual entities and collect them so that he could also use for himself for justifications. This is how they sleep at night and we should never let them forget their harm no matter how many cute paintings they make.
Whether they really believe this stuff or not, there is always a theme of using spirituality to justify horrible actions among these people and I think that’s something important to keep in mind in regard to understanding the complete lack of mental health and critical thinking among the powerful despite their positions and willingness to say or do anything to justify their actions.
I wish we could do away with the idea of spirituality once and for all but I’d settle for the institutions of religion to at least call out these people more often along the way when powerful people are just as happy to use that religion as a means of justification for their actions. The whole thing is rotten to the core.
When a person with addiction murders someone and says “god made me do it.”. We treat them as crazy. When a politician does it, we are supposed to feel sorry for them?
Anyway, for anyone that believes they have to choose “something” focus on science. At least it has to prove itself rather than demand sacrifice to some vague mythical goat man. I believe the Pastafarions haven’t harmed anyone (yet) either.
When a person with addiction murders someone and says “god made me do it.”. We treat them as crazy. When a politician does it, we are supposed to feel sorry for them?
The divine right of kings is old testament history of the zionist victors, but also common to El Pantheon rival tribes which had very similar religious beliefs held by most IsraELites too. The king isn’t asking for forgiveness, he deserves to murder and steal land. Constantine erased Jesus’s humanist philophy from Catholicism when he said God and Jesus were of the same matter, and so Jesus as a reformer can be fully ignored, and only divine right of the emperor to everything needs consideration. Full Church support, of course. Strong heresy laws against Catholics believing in importance of Jesus philosophy lasted to the renaissance.
Press 6 for fun facts about Lutheran protestant movement.
Protestants: Rapture when?
Catholics: Rapture, why? We got all this prime real estate locked up.
Did he even really say this, or was this a propaganda piece published by prosperity gospel evangelical baptists to keep their rubes salivating over the Middle East oil wars?
It turned out in the end by Gog & Mogog, Bush meant Oil & Gold
Truly, he was the dumbest president so far…
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