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checks notes Almost 4,500 children were shot in 2025 in the USA.
I don’t mean to be rude, but the US doesn’t even care about it is own children considering dying from a gunshot wound is the number one child killer in the US.
But you see they need the guns to defend against tyrannical governments….oh wait…
Only some. Most of which hold and own the reigns of power. The rest of us “peons” are unable to stop them with our placards and megaphones. Pitchforks and torches require getting in their faces that are prevented by their mercenary guardians whose weaponry will keep our pitchforks and torches beyond their effective range
Yes, well, the raping children was what caused me to first question the current American political leadership but that’s just me apparently.
Some people draw a line at raping kids. While others draw their line at $5 gallon
News don’t report on the suffering of Iranians. However, high gas prices are impossible to conceal by the media because you experience it every day.
My MAGA relatives called for the extermination of all the Somalians in Minnesota at Easter. I don’t think benefit of the doubt that people just don’t KNOW about the suffering of the Iranians is really justified. If they don’t know, it’s because they don’t care or don’t want to care.
If they don’t know, it’s because they don’t care or don’t want to care.
If they don’t know, it’s because fox news doesn’t report on it.
If Fox News reported on it, they would switch news providers. And if there were no news providers castigating the Iranian people, then they would revert to their “liberal media lies to us” belief system. The ignorance is willful.
Saying it was gas prices alone is ignoring the years of protesting and agitation the left has put exerted. No kings protests don’t just happen and didn’t just start. They are an extension of the George Floyd/BLM protests from the first Trump era.
The only thing gas prices changed are the minds of the 25% who voted for Trump. And there are still die hard idiots who won’t change or recognize the problem. Europe and much of the world also has this stupid type of voter, like being a pro-Russian Polish citizen.
You are agitating to make progress feel dimished. Trump will fall soon and you will still find a way to complain about how long it took. Yeah, because we don’t coup shit here. We have process and order and we follow it, even in the bad times because we believe (even against our better judgement) that people are not wrong until they do something wrong. Try it out and you might find out how corrupt your country is too.
the years of protesting and agitation the left has put exerted.
There’s a left in Murica?
Damn right I’ll complain you took so long, people are literally being fucking killed while you wait for “the system” to fix it for you.
What do you want him to do exactly?
Beyond being outraged that people aren’t doing “enough” or “quickly” what do you want people to actually do? It’s easy to complain, it’s difficult to actually come up with a solution.
Beyond being outraged that people aren’t doing “enough” or “quickly” what do you want people to actually do?
What they’ve been doing in Minneapolis, but amplified?
That they put down a tyrannical government as their beloved 2A states?
There’s more population than politicians, the whole “we’re powerless” is bs that’s been conditioned unto most peoples worldwide via controlled media 'cos those in power know how dangerous it is for people to get together and start building up critical mass.
What they’ve been doing in Minneapolis, but amplified?
What do you mean, “but amplified?”
That they put down a tyrannical government as their beloved 2A states?
What are you actually asking for here?
There’s more population than politicians,
And approximately half the population is in support of it and the other half aren’t the 2A gun nuts.
the whole “we’re powerless” is bs that’s been conditioned unto most peoples worldwide via controlled media 'cos those in power know how dangerous it is for people to get together and start building up critical mass.
Go ahead and say what you really mean here and stop dancing around the bush.
They want armed conflict and don’t understand how to actually overthrow power. They’re being idiotic reactionaries who think dying is the best part of living. They don’t actually know how to live with their actions or choices and would quickly become ICE agents with a head injury.
Meh, keep complaining. Things are changing and no one is listening to you.
Nothing is changing unless the US collapses it will continue to murder children like it has under every president dem or rep.
Yep. But the US won’t “collapse” like Germany 1945. Hell, even Germany didn’t collapse. History shows that no matter how you feel, within a few years things will go back to how they were but with new names.
What are you on about. History is extremely complex with huge changing differences all the time.
Also:
“Here’s a rule you can call upon in case some guy starts eating all the ice cream so you can stop him from doing so.”
five ice cream factories and several warehouses later
“Hey maybe, just MAYBE, we could consider talking about that rule again? I’m not saying implement it right away but we should look at it.”
A lot of Westerners, especially Americans ofc, got very much used to third worlders suffering/dying for their comfort, or sometimes for no reason. Do you remember how much extreme media attention it took for Americans to realize that war in Ukraine was ‘serious’ and not just ‘another war where no civilization exists’? And it’s literally Europe. I have no idea what you’d need to do to get the average American to care about people from ‘rest of world’.
I was very fucking upset my government didn’t step in when Russia annexed Crimea, Ukraine disarmed with the agreement we’d fight Russia with them and we just wrote a letter. Not all of us are asleep, but our media is owned by demons.
Another betrayal by the US.
Russia attacking Ukraine was wrong on so many levels with the least being they signed treaties after giving up the third largest nuclear arsenal for protection from the US, UK, and Russia.
The reality that Ukraine is essentially brothers and sisters to Russia is the real heartbreaker. It was like murdering your own family, absolutely disgusting.
after giving up the third largest nuclear arsenal for protection from the US, UK, and Russia.
To be fair, Ukraine never had capabilities to actually utilize that arsenal and bare minimum maintenance was very costly. The deal was beneficial for both sides, even if Russia disregarded a part of it (which still should have never happened).
America is the most propagandized place in the history of humanity. The stranglehold that capitalists hold over American worldviews begins in public schools and is constantly reinforced through media.
I honestly don’t believe Americans can think about the rest of the world until either capitalism is dismantled and the propaganda machine destroyed, or they lose a world war and are made to change.
the most propagandized place in the history of humanity
Sorry, that’s pretty ridiculous. Even with all its flaws, Americans still mostly have freedom of speech, and they use it. They still have access to real news if they seek it out. Trump is becoming more like a North Korean style dictator, but North Korea already has one of those.
Americans can’t think about the rest of the world, meanwhile roughly 1/3 of all foreign aid comes from America.
Censorship is not the same thing as propaganda. They often go hand in hand, but the US prefers to drown dissenting voices in billions of dollars worth of media. No other country has a propaganda budget the size of Hollywood’s, for example.
They still have access to real news if they seek it out.
Which they don’t, 'cos they’re conditioned not to by the media, advertising industry, Big ___, schools, etc.
Foreigners when it’s convenient: “America is the most propagandized nation in the world”
Foreigners responding to American Propaganda: “Clearly the news is 100% right about everything they say about the American people”
Foreigners responding to American Propaganda: “Clearly the news is 100% right about everything they say about the American people”
Why would murican propaganda say crap about muricans? You’re not making sense.
Monstrous, its far more than just selfishness. We actively hate The Other.
Given Europe’s own demonstrated islamophobia and treatment of asylum seekers, and the various genocides going on in east Asia at the moment, I hardly think that we Americans are alone in that regard. The primary difference being that the American Mythos props up America as this place where everyone should be ready to take up arms to protect their rights and the rights of others, and we’re getting to see precisely how hollow such fantasies truly are.
Maybe if people actually gave a shit about each other it would be different.
I’ve thought about this for awhile before posting. To me, it’s not just Americans. It’s every country on earth (except strangely enough for Dictatorships)
ALL countries look out for their own interests. And a content populace is a large part of that. It’s just that some countries are better at it than others.
It is not in their own interests to support a war on Iran even if it doesn’t affect americans
Don’t make it an american thing, selfish people exist everywhere
It’s not “All americans are selfish”. However, there is a case to be made that the culture itself promotes such a behaviour. The mindset seems to be that an individual tries to get on top of everyone else, that achieve the american dream. And this appears to be instilled since childhood.
Capitalism is not an american exclusive either.
Every nation has had some degree of a superiority complex at some point in their history, but while most nations dialed down over time, the US has dialed up. A lot of that are reverberations from Cold War propaganda.
I see that complex in a hand full of other nations and they’re all either at war or preparing to go to war. It’s disgusting and terrifying.
I strongly disagree with that. The American dream is that you get ahead through hard work, etc, but it’s not at the expense of others. It’s not winning the rat race. It’s creating something of value from your own hard labor. It’s carving a farm out of the wilderness, it’s not being under someone else’s thumb, it’s starting your own business and providing something of value.
Now I’m not saying this is always true, but the fantasied American Dream ™ isn’t about pulling down others, it’s about rising up yourself.
I’m with you, but it also reminds me of the George Carlin quote:
It’s called the “American Dream” because you have to be asleep to believe it.
I agree that is how the Dream is sold, but the reality of capitalism is that it is founded on exploitation. One person can rise above others because the system is pushing them down. And in order to justify that inequality, we have the ideology of American Individualism, which says to always take care of “number one” first. So people who are born into privilege get told that they deserve it, and that people who don’t have it are undeserving because of some moral failure.
The very system breeds the ideologies of selfishness. It doesn’t matter if some Americans are different, on a societal level, we are crazily selfish.
it’s still a more commonly insideous attitude within the imperial cores of the global north
Bullshit. The fat orange fuck topped out at 40% support for the war, which is 10 points over his cultists (29% of US adults voted for him in 2024). You can be blackpilled that a third of the country joined a cult, but people are fucking stupid and the electoral system is rigged anyway.
https://www.natesilver.net/p/iran-war-polls-popularity-approval
Americans are reaching very high levels of political disengagement. Most Americans know it doesn’t matter who they vote for. They haven’t seen real reforms out of either party, except to make the rich a lot richer. Combine that with the hassle it is to vote in many places and people have just stopped caring unless their personal life gets too bad.
It’s exhausting voting for promises that never materialize or seem to always monkey paw into a way for corporations to suck up all the benefits. People are tired.
And yeah, it’s on purpose. The more disengaged people get, the more the elite can legally rob them.
it doesn’t matter who they vote for
I get the disengagement since I see it constantly online, but taking part in politics shouldn’t be only about who you vote for. It’s also about trying to affect what candidates you get, the boring groundwork that requires a lot of effort
I agree. And the Americans who need help the most do not have the time or energy to put into it. So it’s left to the people who do and very few of them actually care about the working poor.
This is such a cop out. American people have been actively supporting the growth of the rich because they have always believed that as individuals they are just one step away from being there themselves and don’t want anything interfering. People have tried over the last 4-5 decades to change things but they get voted down continuously.
That way of putting it has always belied the sheer amount of propaganda the rich have poured into making people believe they can be the chosen one to get rich. From scam artists selling get rich quick schemes to syrupy news stories about the kid who dropped out and got rich. Financial news regularly runs stories meant to make people think they’re not budgeting hard enough if they can’t make ends meet. (spoiler alert there’s always a tertiary source of income involved, but it’s buried deep in the article.)
And when things are clearly enunciated, like plans to tax people over 400k, there’s suddenly tons of stories about how they’re just normal people who can barely make ends meet. They’re just like Mr. Fast food worker, they might even have to sell their house if you taxed their stocks! (Just never ask which vacation house that is or how many rooms it has)
Rather than “copping out” by pointing all this out, I want a counter narrative. Until we get a strong counter narrative people will continue to succumb to this propaganda.
I almost forgot, the numerous commercials where corporations swear they’re a good corporate citizen and you can trust them to have your best interests in mind. While they put all their wrong doing under legal secrecy so people can’t even see the problem we need to fix. For example did you know Walmart and Pepsi got caught in a massive price fixing scheme? One that likely extends across most Walmart grocery products and could be partially responsible for our high grocery prices? (Pepsi collaborated to make sure no other store could afford to sell Pepsi products for less than Wal-Mart by charging those stores more if they dropped their prices. This effectively let Wal-Mart set the price floor wherever they wanted.)
You don’t get this stuff on CNN. And it’s the stuff that actually impacts our daily lives.
I think it depends. Sometimes it feels like were surrounded by idiotic selfish people. But other times I remember that those in power made good education and higher education harder to obtain. I believe that and the decision on Citizens united has molded some scary ass human beings in the USA.
But its not all Americans. There are some good people here. People who tried to do the right thing.
I’m getting damn tired of this style of post.
We get a rare drop, where circumstances suddenly allow a leftist position to become the mainstream position. Then inevitably, someone posts “America only cares about <leftist position> because it started impacting normies”.
And somehow the reaction is not “Hell yeah it did, brother, now is our time, let’s rolllllll!” but instead passing that tweet around while going “tsk-tsk”.
What the actual fuck are we doing? If we got a gift horse, we’d probably say “Hold up lemme enroll in equine dentistry school for next semester”. Like goddamn.
To get them to care of the war at all, especially the MAGAts, is a goddamn miracle really. We should be pushing them to want to end it and exposing them to leftist, not neo-liberal, actual leftist thinking.
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OP is a psyop.
A psyop to convince people not to vote for Kamala Harris in 2026?
The logic:
- everyone against genocide is a Russian bot
- they’re still saying genocide is bad
- therefore they’re a Russian bot
an op to convince people that both parties are the same, so it doesn’t matter if you vote. The bad faith argument that voting for harm reduction is the same as voting for harm. It’s disingenuous and only serves to break leftist coalition and cause infighting, which only really benefits one side… the right, and it’s a textbook tactic of right-wing bullshit.
So yes, a psyop, or duped by a psyop. Eitherway, a dipshit.
voting for harm reduction
To claim Joe Biden was a “harm reduction” candidate, you need to ignore how he extended much of Trump’s Term 1 policies and - by refusing to prosecute and imprison any of his first term cabinet - paved the way for even more egregious abuses in his second term.
The Biden Administration did nothing to curb the abuses of the Republican Party. And, in many cases, normalized and entrenched the fascist policies and powers accrued to the executive branch under prior terms of office. When the ink is dry on the history books, he will be remembered as an enabler of Trump’s fascist regime in much the same way he was an enabler of the Bush fascist regime from 2001 to 2009.
Eitherway, a dipshit.
Harris adviser says VP ran ‘flawless’ campaign
I have to wonder if you genuinely believe people who say this.
This is an anarchist community, so here’s an anarchist perspective. Voting is not and cannot be harm reduction.
The idea of a ballot being capable of reducing the harm in a system rooted in colonial domination and exploitation, white supremacy, hetero-patriarchy, and capitalism is an extraordinary exaggeration. There is no person whose lives aren’t impacted everyday by these systems of oppression, but instead of coded reformism and coercive “get out the vote” campaigns towards a “safer” form of settler colonialism, we’re asking “what is the real and tragic harm and danger associated with perpetuating colonial power and what can be done to end it?”
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/voting-is-not-harm-reduction
Harm reduction is harmful
Voting as harm reduction does more harm than good. Accepting reforms through voting makes people settle for a partial goal; it is a concession. From this position of compromise, the state entrenches its position, and it becomes more difficult to push further, for voters fear losing their partial gains. Accepting harm reduction also divides the movement, because some will be satisfied with the crumbs, while others want it all (see the split at the ZAD). Harm reduction also assumes that the harm (the government) cannot be removed entirely, which is an argument that there can be no anarchy.
Voting is not harm reduction
For the vast majority of issues, there’s no difference between the political parties. They are all the parties of business, climate destruction, deportation, incarceration, police, surveillance, drone strikes, sacred site desecration, et cetera. By getting you to believe that there is a lesser of two evils, the state dampens your desire for abolishing it, because you are meant to believe that things will be worse if you don’t vote and support a political party. Look at the fact that the George Floyd Rebellion occurred under Trump, where liberals, and progressives, and leftists didn’t get what they want, where the harm was supposedly greater, than under Biden, where those same people lie dormant, accepting the lesser evil world as a blessed reprieve.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anonymous-why-you-shouldn-t-vote#toc1
This entire argument assumes no one does anything other than vote
A lot of internet anarchists are like any other internet leftist: their main “actions” are gatekeeping, purity tests, and virtue signaling that they’re real [whatever flavor of the left they claim]. They have zero pragmatism and no actionable plans – but they get pissed if anyone suggests something that doesn’t perfectly align with their professed ideals.
They don’t actually do anything for their cause in the real world: all they do is bitch on the internet and to their close circle of interchangeable friends. They’re the dead wood of progressiveness.
Which to be fair, is kind of the case for a majority of the population, which is perfectly fine for, and encouraged by, the people of power
Which to be fair, is kind of the case for a majority of the population
It’s clearly not. I don’t sit in a box until election day. I’ve got a household to tend to, friends to support, family to care for, and an economy to participate in. All of these actions have political implications and consequences.
People need to recognize that caring for an ailing parent, holding down a job at a convenience store, opening up your house to a roommate (or renting that unit for a profit), driving a car versus riding a bike, calling the cops, littering - these all carry political weight. How you spend the majority of your waking hours is still a consequence of your ideology even in constrained circumstances.
here’s an anarchist perspective
Both-sidesism isn’t anarchism. It’s nihilism. It’s the “nothing matters, so there are no rules” surface level “anarchism” take. You can’t hide behind hedonistic nihilism by calling it “anarchism”. You might as well just come out as the edgelord you want to be and tip your fedora.
Both-sidesism isn’t anarchism.
When neither side is an anarchist position? It’s not two sides. It’s one side with two faces.
hedonistic nihilism
Wtf are you talking about?
no one is saying “both sides”, as though there are only two. we’re talking about what harm reduction is, and whether voting qualifies. it does not.
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- Anarcho-nihilism is a thing. Personally I find it a little bleak, I think we should have a vision to move towards.
- So we can criticize voting itself, but not the parties that perpetuate it?
howabout this, rather than sit here and argue theory and bullshit… lets reframe what you’re doing here and see if that’s the person you idealize yourself to be.
You’re coming to the defense of a powertripping mod that abuses their position to push centrist bullshit and then bans anyone who disagrees with them.
Would you, as an anarchist, come to defend any other self-appointed hierarchical leader that pushes harmful misinformation and silences critics? Hmm? Is this your ideal anarchist community member?
it doesn’t matter if you vote
voting for harm reduction is the same as voting for harm
psyop, or duped by a psyop. Eitherway, a dipshit.
You might as well just come out as the edgelord you want to be and tip your fedora.
you don’t read and huff your own farts.
howabout this, rather than sit here and argue theory and bullshit
Engage with what is being said instead of trying to appeal to some reddit-tier fallacy argument.
And lets see… a “leftist” in “leftist spaces” making plays from the “alt-right handbook”, misrepresenting them as “leftist” opinions to fracture coalition… what would you call a person like that?
Maybe if you write it bigger then you win. Actual child
I’m done playing debatelord with you reddit rejects.
What is with the large text? I think you make a great point about supposed leftist that are not leftist at all. We see a lot of that here on Lemmy. I think it may be a horseshoe thing or they are just lying to themselves.
they’re all quotes from the banned user
Oh okay, I get it now. Thanks.
lol. Maybe if you write it bigger then you win. Actual child. I’m done playing debatelord with you reddit rejects.
it’s not too late to delete your comments and leave.
i’m not trying to win. i just wanted everyone to get a little amuse-bouche of the thread before they dive in.
They’re one of those 100 posts a day weirdos that seem hopped up on Adderall. Or they’re a bot.
Ai would like a word with you.
You keep doing whatever you’re doing (mostly nothing). But don’t expect the rest of the world to not point out your bullshit while your pedophile president is raping the world.
You are again acting selfish by portraying yourself as victims, while your government is ruining the world. You are NOT the victims, you are the PERPETRATORS.
Fucking jokers, fix your shithole country if you want the world to stop making fun of you. Because no one else can, the only thing we can do to vent our frustrations is to call out your bullshit.
Oh just fix the country, why didn’t anyone tell us that sooner!
Oh, so you are expecting someone else to fix it for you, smh…
And in the meantime we should feel sorry for you, while you keep raping us. That sounds almost selfish…
you
You’re using this word very liberally.
I’m getting damn tired of this style of liberal comment in an anarchist community.
We get a rare drop, where circumstances suddenly allow a leftist position to become the mainstream position.
No you haven’t. You’ve got people who are upset their wallets are hit, that is not a leftist position in the mainstream. Two people can reach the same conclusion for wildly different reasons.
This is why the left is doomed. You cant see the opportunity to bring more into the fold, you only see purity test fails and a chance ro grand stand
The left isn’t doomed thanks, we’re doing just fine.
Liberals and centrists are however doomed as people are moving to either extreme and abandoning a failed system that has only delivered abysmal results.
Go cry about purity tests some more, maybe that will convince a leftist to vote for murdering children if you do it a few more times.
Thanks for providing an example
When people’s wallets are hit it’s exactly the right time to convert people.
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