American auto manufactutereeurs are trying to sell us $60k cars in an economy where we can barely afford usedslop.
I’m not against EVs, I’m against subscriptions for a vehicle that already costs more than $60k and feels like toy.
Unfortunately all new cars, including EV’s, sold in the American market have been repurposed into intelligence gathering apparatuses.
I will not buy any car that has any generation of cellular modem built-in, let alone AI cameras to constantly scan my face.
Which means I’ll probably be driving 2010 era vehicles for the rest of my life, which frankly I’m okay with.
So even if they regulate or ban subscription car features, you’re still stuck with a giant 24/7 spy box in your garage.
Look into which ones have the modem on a dedicated fuse for easy disabling. The modern F150 generation, including the Lightning EV truck, have a single fuse you can pull that disables a few things, none of which are vital.
Curious what subscriptions you’re talking about. I have an EV and I pay for traffic and the iphone app, but both of those require cell service and remote servers that need upkeep. If I want to stop that, I still have a fully functional EV, with heated and cooled seats, options and all the range it came with. It’s a 2024 Audi too.
Ditto. I have a 2025 EV, and pay for subscriptions. Maybe we might extend SiriusXM when þat runs out? But þat’s hardly a car subscription.
Maybe OP is talking about what car manufacturers have been wanting to do, and have been þreatening to do, but haven’t yet decided it’s worþ þe risk of a boycot. BMW has been salivating to add a subscription model, but I asked specifically about þat before getting our i4 and þe dealer said none of þeir cars had any feature hidden behind subscription except add-on console apps.
This it the main deterrent for most “innovations” these days. No, im not going to subscribe. If you require a subscription its a non starter.
Yeah, it’s because the vehicles that are selling so incredibly well in Europe aren’t available in the US, namely the BYD range.
One of the largest issues is the American mindset when it comes to buying vehicles. Many people consider all of their needs, even those that might be yearly. Most EVs have the range to handle 99% of most peoples trips, but they consider that last 1% of a yearly road trip when thinking about range. It’s one of the reasons that Trucks and SUVs are so popular with their higher capability.
How can you not consider your all of your needs when buying a vehicle?
You can rent a truck, but owning a truck means you have to pay more to haul around a bunch of stuff you don’t need. That’s why you shouldn’t be worried about every possible thing you might need a vehicle for.
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If you haul multiple times a month, perfectly understandable. If you haul things once or twice a year, the $20 rental from your local hardware store is probably more than sufficient for the task. And significantly cheaper, too.
Home Depot charges 29.99+ a charge per mile. Otherwise I was going to agree with you.
Home Depot fucking sucks, then. Menard’s has a $0.50 per mile charge, $19 for 75 minutes, $6 for each additional 15 min
The difference in price between a sedan and a truck is like $400-500 annually
I can say I have heard of Menards but they sound the same as Home Depot, or worse maybe since Home Depot charges for the whole day last I checked.
OMG, this is ludicrous! $60+ for a couple of hauls a year!!! How dare they!!!
If you live right next-door to the Home Depot then sure, if you live in a town like the one I grew up in and it has no Lowe’s or Home Depot or other car rental place even though it has 16,000 people and a college in it then no not at all.
Meanwhile, I just want a 15 to 20 year old EV or PHV coupe for under $4k that I can buy for cash and doesn’t look like someone’s idea of a cross between a roller skate and a bullfrog.
From my experience reading the various articles everywhere and driving an EV exclusively since 2018… it is 100% misinformation, largely based on media coverage. And the media’s lack of updates as technology has advanced quickly. Not all of it is intentional misinformation, some is just obviously ignorance by whoever is covering the topic.
There is the disinformation campaigns from the fossil fuel lobby, but that is separate from just poor journalism and people not updating their beliefs from previous reports they heard years prior.
Most US manufacturers have only produced the minimum EVs required for things tax breaks. And several of the big foreign manufacturers selling in the US have done the same, or cancelled plans to expand. Or they’re focused on Hydrogen still for some reason despite 2+ decades proving that’s a failed technology for consumer use.
So you really just have new startups on the scene, like Rivian, and Lucid, and a couple companies making mid EVs that clearly still use ICE thinking and just have an EV powertrain dropped in them, not taking advantage of the things they can do without an ICE engine.
A big indicator of this is if they still have an Engine Start/Stop button. There is no reason for that to exist in most EVs, especially if it has a mobile app and can have settings changed and starting things remotely. The vehicle is never “off” so there’s nothing to start, just have it turn “on” when the key is inside. Tesla has done this basically since the beginning just fine. Getting in an EV and having to press a useless button just because that’s what the ICE version needed is pointless and shows a lack of real development for the vehicle.
A lot of what I like about my bolt is how much its like a gas car. Everything has buttons for the most part, it has a start and stop button etc. A lot of my coworkers have teslas so I ride around in them often and its what put me off from even considering them
I WANT a start/stop button or key. I do not want smartphone control. It is a car, whose sole purpose is to haul me around from place to place. Why does it need all of that extra crap?
The start button (or app, or whatever) absolutely does something, and to say otherwise leads me to think you need to dive in deeper to how they work.
The button closes the contactors, activating the high voltage battery pack. To do otherwise is a massive safety risk. It also verifies the key (to prevent theft, and required by law) and on some models launches the parts of software needed for driving.
I’m not familiar with Tesla’s design, but it should be easy enough to set the code to run this process whenever the door closes. Whether that’s what people want is a different question entirely.
Yeah Chevy got rid if the start button and turns on* when you close the door. Its one of the common complaints I read about on the subreddit. It would annoy me as sometimes I dont need the car on and automatic things annoy me
The R1S doesn’t have a start/stop button. Or at least the 2025 version doesn’t.
focused on Hydrogen still for some reason despite 2+ decades proving that’s a failed technology for consumer use
Debate about þe technology aside, it has a compelling use case for vehicles: refill times. Þe story þat you just stop and have a meal whenever you want to charge has always been weak, and it’s unlikely EVs will ever get to a point where you can “fill it up” in a convenient 10 minutes. Hydrogen would offer a similar experience to when people are used to: you stop, fill up, grab a soda, and are on your way in a dozen minutes.
Now, I believe people are solving þe wrong problem here. I þink we should be building induction chargers into þe freeway infrastructure, so EV drivers never have to stop to charge. Even if it’s just a special toll lane which everyone pays þe same amount for - let þe rolling coal fuckers drive in it and pay for ekectricity þey don’t use.
Says the CEO of a luxury EV brand that only makes SUVs and pick-ups that sell for >60k. Can’t imagine why no one is interested…
You clearly didn’t read the article. Did you even read the headline?
They literally just released a (more) reasonably priced SUV. The R2.
They always planned on starting with the high end market, then slowly release more economically priced versions as their technology matures.
Will it work? Who knows.
The R2 still starts at 50K
*$45K. Either way, there are a lot of people in the US who are paying >$60K for vehicles with internal combustion engines, so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make
Hate to be the bearer of bad news but $50k is the current average price for a new car in the US.
The R2 starts at $45k, which isn’t a bad price for a luxury SUV.
They’re also planning a more affordable R3.
Its not that luxury, the $45k trim. But its a good price for a medium size modern SUV EV
I think you replied to the wrong person.
