• billwashere
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    4
    ·
    3 days ago

    No. Basically because they won’t do shit about it. As always.

  • immutable@lemmy.zip
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    9
    ·
    4 days ago

    The problem with norms are that they are not enforceable and trump and maga showed that you can have all the power if you just don’t follow them.

    We can’t pretend like we can go back to a world where good actors will voluntarily follow norms. What is needed is laws with teeth and more importantly punishment for powerful people that break those laws.

    The Dems showed during the Biden administration that after 4 years of breaking the law in broad daylight they weren’t going to hold anyone in trumps administration accountable. I don’t hold out a bunch of hope that the same party leadership which continues to signal a business as usual stance is really going to change the next time around.

  • theywilleatthestars
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    14
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    4 days ago

    Gonna be honest the Democratic establishment hasn’t shown itself very trustworthy in that regard.

      • GreenBeard@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        7
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        4 days ago

        Of reestablishing ethics norms? Pretty sure the Biden admin didn’t make any progress at all on that front after Trump term 1. No procedural rollbacks, no prosecutions, sanctions, or even stern warnings for all the myriad violations of norms, and a lot of hesitation pursuing even criminal violations.

        Voters want consequences, Democratic old-guard seem to want to smoke a peace pipe and forget it ever happened. That’s probably a factor in why progressive candidates are sweeping primaries. People want guillotines, public guillotines, and I’m only half using that phrase metaphorically. Even if the progressives can’t deliver, no one doubts they’ll try.

        • FiniteBanjo@feddit.online
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          4 days ago

          So your example is that the DNC “haven’t done anything”. The fact that they have had 48 or less senators for over 13 years aside for a moment:

          Except for this helpful list linked here

          And when they attempted to ban stock trading in congress LINK

          And returning functioning order to the EPA LINK

          Fun Fact, Biden actually protected more forests in the USA than any past president, restoring and even expanding the countless national parks that Trump stripped protections from.

          • GreenBeard@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            7
            arrow-down
            4
            ·
            4 days ago

            And whose heads rolled? Who is in prison, who had their assets seized, who got frog marched in an orange jumpsuit? Who was charged with fraud for the COVID loans? In 20 years the Democrats have failed to hold anyone accountable for anything who had more than a million in assets? Yeah, they convicted the Jan. 6th rioters. Funny how easy it is to hold someone accountable when they don’t have money.

            I think it’s sick the way the Republicans have scapegoated every demographic they can possibly point a finger at, but I absolutely understand people’s need to have someone held accountable for the endless successions of disasters we have lived through. No one needs a return to “normal”, they need consequences for those who are responsible. And then, we can discuss restoring norms, reinforced with teeth, so the next time someone tries this they lose a hand before the rest of us have to live through their sadism and stupidity.

  • MrSulu@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    6
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    4 days ago

    I’ve stopped arguing with those that say “both sides are bad”, because I’m not so sure myself. However Trump and entrire circus need to be gone.

  • CharlesDarwin
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    4
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    4 days ago

    Probably not, because a whole lot of voters are dumber than dirt and about as patient as toddlers.

    If Democrats don’t immediately fix everything the cons did to fucking wreck the place, many of voters will revolt, claim both sides are the same and then proceed to sit out or vote ridiculously (Republican or third party).

  • EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    7
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    4 days ago

    The only thing Democrats will be trusted to do is continue Trump’s policies like they did his first term.

    • Fredselfish
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      4 days ago

      Don’t know why you were downvoted your not wrong. Hell Newsome who the DNC is going shove down our throats is already moved over to be a blue Maga. Hell he host nazi on his own podcast and tweets like Trump.

      Democrats always move to the right where the Republican were. Hell the DNC of today is right of Regan.