Ugh, finally they take the gimme. What the hell were they waiting for, formal execution orders for anyone darker than Pantone-720?
Democrats waiting until the boat has more than six holes in the hull before they vote on patching the leak.
The Statue of Liberty is an immigrant
It’s a start. Now do Healthcare, Eduction, Living Wage, Housing, Food, Daycare, UBI…
Honestly I care most about justice first. We need an American Nuremburg or we will not heal properly as a nation.
100%. We can’t trust this system if there is no justice and without trust we have no real country.
That’s why America has been dead to me since Trump was re-elected and faced zero repercussions for his many crimes
Save you a click: DNC voted to put abolishing ICE on the party platform—it doesn’t represent concrete legislative action at this time, just a commitment towards it.
The resolution calls on Democratic members of Congress to enact legislation dissolving ICE and winding down the immigration detention system. It also calls for restricting Department of Homeland Security (DHS) funding unless certain enforcement activities end, including workplace raids, mass roundups, arrests at courthouses, arrests at ICE check-ins, enforcement actions near schools and houses of worship, and other operations, as well as terminating contracts with private detention providers.
Won’t this become an actionable promise once they win the midterms?
(Yes I am that optimistic)
Yes it will. Hope paired with action becomes revolution. Don’t stop hoping my friend.
Trump will still be President after midterms. I could see some symbolic vote on it (which isn’t nothing) but temper that optimism regarding ICE actually being abolished before 2029.
I keep confusing Senate/Congress, but don’t the Reps currently have absolute majority, which is very likely to be broken after the midterms (not only this midterm, but generally the opposition is much more likely to win)?
The GOP has a majority in the House and the Senate, as well as the Presidency and an obviously biased Supreme Court.
This midterm its basically assumed that the dems will take the House, and it’s plausible they will take the Senate. Unfortunately, it’s impossible that Dems gain enough for a veto-proof majority, so not much can actually be done from passing legislation.
I’d add some caveats that there is a political benefit to passing popular legislation and letting a Republican president shoot it down, and it’s possible (though unlikely, imo) that Trump gets so incredibly unpopular that members of the GOP cross party lines to give some legislation a veto-proof majority. I consider it unlikely because if they haven’t done it yet, it seems unlikely they ever will.
I mean, Dems don’t have a majority in any branch much less the presidency, so…
That said, I’d be curious to know the split for and against. How many Dems still support a fascist paramilitary?
If only someone had asked the DNC to eliminate ICE once Obama stepped into office…
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Its almost certain that the Dems taking the most from AIPAC support ICE.
Just listen to Hakeem Jefferies being questioned on why he refuses to adopt the position to abolish it. Constant evading, constant bullshit politician response.
Israel knows its totally cooked if the US retains its democracy and survives MAGA. That’s why they’ve been doing everything from selling zero-click spyware to ICE, to outright using the IDF to train ICE.
I’d be curious to know the split for and against. How many Dems still support a fascist paramilitary?
However many it takes for the vote against it to fail.
Exactly. 17 years of “incremental progress” and absolutely fuck all has improved.
“Oh no, guys we really tried to pass the ‘No More Orphan Crushing Machines!’ bill again but just enough Democrats who were just re-elected and not up for a vote for many years voted the other way to keep it happening again. This is awful. We feel so bad. We can’t believe it’s happened 15 times in a row with different Democrats we still tell you that you should support flipping to vote against it at that last second every time! If you keep voting us and the other Democrats who just voted against this bill in, we promise to keep trying just as hard as we have been!”
Then when Democratic Socialists who want to actually change things instead of selling out to corporations and AIPAC start gaining popularity the establishment Dems declare war on them while remaining mostly silent on the complete insanity the country is going through.
Not really a tough pattern to see.
Uhh, midterms are only a few months away…
This is exactly what people have been begging for from the DNC. A hardline stance against fascism and a promise to legislate things people actually care about.
And now it’s “oh but they don’t have the numbers to actually achieve anything”? Why wasn’t it that when everyone was saying that they aren’t doing enough?
This is exactly what people have been begging for from the DNC.
Idk about “begging” so much as “primarying incumbents”.
And now it’s “oh but they don’t have the numbers to actually achieve anything”?
In the national legislature they don’t.
In state legislatures and municipal governments, they absolutely do. And what’s blowing up careers, while producing a wave of Platners and El-Sayeds to replace them has been do-nothing liberals losing the mandate of their constituents.
Andrew Cuomo’s done. Gavin Newsom’s career is pretty much cooked, unless he runs as a Republican. Tim Walz is leaving office in disgrace over the failure to stand up for his constituents. It’s a bloodbath for liberal veterans.
I’m all for primarying incumbents and replacing centrist dems with progressives and DSA.
The thing I take issue with is that now that things finally seem to be turning around and there’s a chance we might get what we want/need, suddenly there’s this effort to ignore the fact that our only chance to take back congressional majorities is in a few months and that the balance of the Senate is still very much up in the air.
So instead of saying Dems don’t have the numbers, why not say “this is why it’s so important to vote in November”?
The thing I take issue with is that now that things finally seem to be turning around
They aren’t turning around. They’re getting much much worse. The hill Dems have to climb in '26 is so much higher than in '18 or '06 or '92.
The stakes are higher. Which means Dems have more to win in the long run, if they can take control of a failing economy and deliver on reforms they’ve been promising since the 1940s.
But after Clinton and then Obama and then Biden all pooched historic opportunities, faith in the establishment is at an all time low.
So instead of saying Dems don’t have the numbers, why not say “this is why it’s so important to vote in November”?
Because it’s hack, for starters. Which year was voting not important?
And because it ignores what is being voted for.
If you’re putting up another class of Blue Dogs and Neocons, the country is fucked no matter who wins. The policies won’t change, just the branding.
Talking about who actually makes up the Democrat Party is more important than talking about Voting Blue No Matter Who. Dems could sweep every available seat in November and still flounder next January.
Just look at what happened to Starmer’s Labour Party. Historic win. Massive popular mandate. All anyone got was Fascism Lite. They paved the way for Nigel Farrage.
Talking about who actually makes up the Democrat Party is more important than talking about Voting Blue No Matter Who.
My wife has taken to saying “vote blue BECAUSE of who” and I like it.
Yes but you’re not considering this within the context that 1), the democratic base is increasingly turning to progressives and demsocs, who are picking up a lot of slack and gaining political momentum; 2), republicans are slated for punishing defeats across the country if we all just turn up and vote (and overcome any funny business that they attempt); and 3), the entire topic of this post is that the DNC now supports abolishing ICE
Yes but you’re not considering this within the context
We’re seeing a nascent movement with a Tea Party sized constituency that is struggling against a massive undercurrent of hostile corporate media and institutional support.
We’ve seen it before - during OWS and BLM and the Bush Era anti-war movement and the 80s environmental movement and the 60s civil rights movement.
Contexts change. That’s how we got here to begin with.
the DNC now supports abolishing ICE
A plurality of members currently say they support abolishing ICE while they have no control over national policy.
What do local governors and mayors think? My own Houston-Area Dem Mayor has been working hand-in-glove with Greg Abbott and Ken Paxton to conduct mass arrests and fill up prisons full of migrant people. That’s in between the odd ICE shooting.
Our liberal City Council greenlit Flock Cameras. Our local House Reps have been championing genocide at home and abroad with their legislative votes and organizing actions.
The party and the people are not aligned.
blue no matter who
I think we can do better than that. “Blue no matter who” is how we get Fettermans, Sinemas, Schumers.
It’s something. To poo-poo their action would be to enforce the ratchet.
with members backing a measure urging lawmakers to abolish U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) while also more strongly approving a separate proposal calling for reforms to the agency.
Approving a proposal to reform ICE demonstrates that the vote to abolish it is merely theatre to appease progressives.
theatre to appease progressives.
Hey! Good news. We’re important enough to be appeased now. We’re not just getting blamed whenever Dems shit the bed electorally.
Make them appease some more.
It’s only symbolic if we let it be. Now that they’ve actually committed to it officially, we have to FORCE them to honor it.
To start with, EVERY Democrat better vote against any ICE funding, and the emphasis for now should be on reform and retraining, just to fuck with them heavily until we can abolish ICE completely.
In the meantime, we can force ICE to spend what little money they have left on reform and retraining, starting with a top to bottom review of each agent, with those accused of abuses fired, those with criminal backgrounds fired, those with no previous law enforcement training fired. Any abuses uncovered during the reviews will be heavily prosecuted. I suspect most will be going to prison, rather than home.
And any detainment and deportations of innocent people without criminal records, who were operating within the legal immigration framework will result in the ICE/DHS leadership taking personal responsibility, and can be held personally liable for lawsuits brought by undocumented citizens. They were doing everything correctly, working through the system, often for years, and ICE destroyed their lives. Those responsible will feel the pain of their victims’ repatriation and reimbursement.
That will focus ICE’s efforts inward, and draw them away from their current mission of cruelty.
Less than three months from an election. Nah, couldn’t be…
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TBF the sort of progressives who want it entirely dismantled with no replacement do regularly fall for theatre, rarely read congressional documents.
I think most of the problem with ICE are much larger issues with law enforcement accountability and the current admin far exceeding its own authority. The constitution promises Habeus Corpus rights, as well as rights to a fair trial, the ICE do not even have official warants, and most of the detainees were far from being any kind of undocumented.
If we could fix those issues that would be closer to Utopia than regressing to the 1980s, imo.
I agree 100%, but we can eliminate the agency that is ICE, and other law enforcement agencies can handle it, or a new one can be created to handle it, but ICE must be entirely abolished. It is a rotten tree, and no amount of reform will ever clean out the rot, and it will always be weak because of it.
Better to remove it, and replace it with an entirely new tree that doesn’t carry any of the old institutional poison in its veins.
Fair enough
progressives who want it entirely dismantled with no replacement
ICE was a post-9/11 invention of the Bush Administration. To believe we absolutely need a paramilitary dedicated to funneling millions of people into concentration camps on spurious allegations and threadbare charges, you need to have already ingested a ton of hysterical fascist slop.
If you want to defend ICE’s existence, put up an argument for it’s continued function. Why do we need tens of thousands of armed thugs storming into cities and dragging people out of green card hearings by their hair?
If we could fix those issues
You’d still have a Gestapo full of armed reactionaries on the government payroll.
What you’re talking about is akin to reforming the Army of the Confederacy or the Khmer Rouge.
You’d still have a Gestapo full of armed reactionaries on the government payroll.
Like a military or a federal law enforcement branch? I’m starting to think your problem isn’t with this administration but any in general.
The US has had something of a history of rounding people up for indefinite imprisonment and murder through neglect.
Might want to consider doing something about that, rather than punting the tools of genocide to the next administration.
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