And go fucking where and how?? They all will just catch the train?? A boat?? A really big bus??
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The Israeli military said it would operate “significantly” in Gaza City in the coming days and civilians would only be able to return when another announcement was made.
Famously leaving and returning is very easy for Palestinians and they will have no reservations leaving with a potential of returning.
Yeah there’s no way the city isn’t just annexed into Israel.
Yeah they are not just going to do that. First they will flatten it and kill anyone who stayed in it THEN they will annex it.
They don’t care. They already cut off the water. The Israeli government is hoping to see as many men, women and children dead in the deserts and plains of the region as possible.
Just leave bro! Trust us™
There’s a history of returning millennia after being forced to leave in that part of the world. I’m sure the Israeli government has a similar timeframe in mind.
I feel like im going nuts.We are watching the destructon of a civillian population take place,cheered on by western goverments and media.I just feel sick
Is it really cheered?
Most people only agree that the murders on civilians started by Hamas were absolutely horrible and unnecessary. As for what is coming after I don’t think normal people are happy about either.
I haven’t seen any Western government that matters condemn it, at least.
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Oh yeah fair enough.
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“But they are allowed to defend themselves” says the Western presidents.
This has nothing to do anymore with defending themselves. This is just another path to their genocide mission.
I’m curious. Put yourself in Israel’s shoes. You’ve been massively attacked by Hamas from Gaza.
What would you do next? How would you approach this war?
How would you defend yourself to make sure this never happens again.
If i try to invade your house and take it for myself, if i make you a second class citizen and subject you to constant violence and dehumanization using disproportionate force, you have every right to shoot me in the face.
If i lock you in an open air prison and arrogantly hold a huge trance festival dorectly outside the walls of your prison that celebrates peace, love, and happiness, with 0 regard for you as a human being, while you and your family waste away under my opression, I’d deserve to be shot, because thats fucking demented, unnecessary and quite frankly, callous to the point of being soulless.
If i even once had the nerve to suggest the festival celebrated peace between me and the people who are locked in said prison and cant even attend because their race inst allowed outside of those walls, even if they could afford the expensive as fuck tickets, when they are destitute because of being locked in this prison, than that would make me so fucked up, I wouldn’t blame anyone for shitting on my corpse afterwards.
And finally, i can say this no problem because its so fucking easy not to do any of these things, even on my worst days of my life, i have no worries that i might be so stupid to do any of these things even for a second.
I mean not flattening the homes of a million people (and therefore creating the next generation of even more extreme terrorists) would be a good start, because these people and their children will be out for blood after this.
You won’t flatten houses. Got it. Now that we’ve covered what you won’t do. Can we focus on what you would do?
Well… I’d first push Hamas back to Gaza’s borders, then implement a ceasefire like the ones that happened in 2008 and 2012 and actually uphold my end of it (including lifting the blockade, which Israel didn’t do even after agreeing to do it). Maybe add in the ceasefire conditions that the people responsible for the murders of civilians during the attack get turned over to the Hague to be trialed for their war crimes (though that’d be throwing stones from a glass house). There, that’s the only thing required to end all Hamas violence basically forever.
If I wanna hit two birds with one stone and deal with Palestinian terrorism for at least the next century, I’d try to get the PNA and Hamas to form a united government (shouldn’t be that hard; they tried in 2014 and it was Israel who opposed them) and continue where the Oslo accords left off (the whole thing was basically done until a Zionist assassinated the then-PM and Netnyahu, who came in his place, called the whole thing off).
We’ve already almost had this outcome a few times, and it was always Israel who didn’t uphold their end of the deal, so it shouldn’t be that hard.
You might be wondering by now why there’s basically no military response, well the answer is that a military response is the wrong answer to the conflict if you ever want it to end; airstriking Palestinians and generating civilian casualties not only makes peace harder to get, it also generates recruits for Hamas.
Edit: Just gonna mention that none of what I said is a radical or politically untenable position. This would’ve all happened in 2008 if the Israeli PM was anyone other than Bibi.
Edit 2: There are two possible solutions to this conflict: A two state solution (a Palestinian state that can protect itself and freely manage its internal affairs ala Oslo accords) and a one state solution (Israel just gives all Palestinians citizenship and voting rights). The latter would’ve been ideal, but that’s basically impossible now so we’re stuck with the former. Anyway, what I wanna say is: Israel’s current one and a half state solution (an open air prison in Gaza and a Bantustan in the West Bank) won’t—can’t—work.
You’ve just been massively attacked. You push them back into Gaza sure. And then you just sit at the border with a ceasefire, watching them parade hostages on the street. Ok. But you’ll also lift the blockade, so it’ll be even easier to get in materials for new rockets, weapons and ammunition.
In what world will Hamas give themselves up to Hague for war crime tribunals?
And why would that stop Hamas? You’ve accomplished nothing.
Your first paragraph is nothing but fiction.
Let’s summarize what you want to do. Push Hamas into Gaza. Let them do whatever they want in Gaza. Lift blockades so they can amass even more weapons. Hope that they will turn themselves over to be tried for warcrimes in Exchange for a ceasefire. And then that’s that. Done and dusted, Hamas will never be a problem after that.
Are you for real?
And then you just sit at the border with a ceasefire, watching them parade hostages on the street
Well obviously as part of the ceasefire hostages need to be returned.
And why would that stop Hamas? You’ve accomplished nothing.
It did in 2008 and 2012. Hamas has respected its ceasefires so far.
. Lift blockades so they can amass even more weapons. Hope that they will turn themselves over to be tried for warcrimes in Exchange for a ceasefire.
Bro lifting the blockade comes after the ceasefires, not before. I’m not theorizing here; we’ve already had two of those (that Israel refused to follow).
Agree. I can acknowledge Hamas is fucked up, while also acknowledging Israel is using a bigger stick to simply be more fucked up in a more organized way now.
Both sides are murdering countless innocent civilians. This whole situation is horrible. There are no winners in this war.
I’m still baffled by what Hamas was thinking this thing would achieve. It’s giving Israel the excuse to completely wipe out Gaza. It’s one thing to destroy the wall and attack a military base, but murdering entire villages was only going to have one outcome. It’s like they wanted the opposite of Palestinian liberation.
They want to go out in “a blaze of glory” rather than fade away. Israel has been clearing them out slowly and nobody is stopping it, but if Hamas provokes Israel into doing it quickly maybe that will generate enough outrage that the world will try to stop it.
While Israel has been chipping away at Palestinian land in the West Bank, Palestinian population continues to rise, and rise faster than Israeli population at that. And we don’t see the West Bank doing these kind of attacks, only Gaza.
https://www.statista.com/chart/20645/palestine-and-israel-population-growth/
They ain’t fading away, regardless of Israel’s attacks and oppression. The “blaze of glory” is just terrorism.
It makes perfect sense if you read up on the history of the conflict, particularly over the last 30 years.
Palestine’s reward for trying to find a diplomatic solution has been Western-sanctioned destruction and massacre every single time. We westerners have largely ignored that their land has been taken, hospitals and infrastructure bombed, news reporters and civilians shot in cold blood, and no meaningful repercussions for any of it. They’ve even been blockaded for sixteen years.
Think of it like a smaller-scale Tet Offensive. It didn’t seem to make a ton of sense for the Vietnamese to launch an offensive against the South Vietnam and their powerful allies either.
And when you consider how unreasonable it is for 1.1 million people to evacuate in a day, remember also that these people aren’t allowed out in the first place.
My guess is that they wanted to provoke Israel into attacking, hoping that the rest of the nations in the area would use the atrocities as a justification to attack Israel.
They must know that the support for Palestinians by neighbouring countries has only been limited to lip service by most Arab countries for decades. They’re all too happy to buy Israeli tech to spy on their own populations, that’s basically the bargain they made to stay in power.
There’s basically only Iran and Lebanon that are actual “allies”, and that’s basically more Iran using those groups to make things difficult for the US, and not anything that would actually help Palestinians.
They’re doing the Hitler strategy of taking everyone on the ship down with them, in the hope that it will inspire extremists elsewhere, and to inspire future generations to do the same because surely they are the victims here. Didn’t work out that way for Germany in the end now did it?
Also, I’m not saying that Israel is in anyway justified erasing 1.000.000 people off the map. They are also terrible.
This is what I don’t get either. Israel’s reaction is 100% predictable. They knew their attack would result in thousands of their own people getting killed. Did they have an objective that they thought would help improve the lives of Palestinians living in Gaza?
If Hamas attacks Israel, Israel’s current gov stays in power. If Israel attacks Hamas, Hamas stays in power.
It’s in the interest of all in power to keep this going. Peace destroys both their political platforms.
Yeah there’s one universal truth in war: everyone loses. Maybe it’s their life, their sanity, their resources, or their supporters, but everyone loses.
The ruling class wins.
Me too, it’s completely insane
Which western governments are cheering it on?
Cheering maybe not. Unconditional support for effectively genocide? Absolutely.
Pretty much all of them?
I follow mainstream media all day and you’re so fucking wrong. You don’t know what you’re talking about, or more likely: you’ve an agenda of your own.
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Over a million people out of a city in that region is impossible.
Over a million people are going where exactly? Are there camps where they can stay? Where there is water and food? Are their basic needs met? Or are they just expected to walk into the desert, never to return from the shadow realm?
Over a million people who are supposed to stay away while the Israeli military does what exactly? Fight against the Hamas on a fair battlefield? Because the Hamas is known for playing by the rules, yes? Because they also won’t just leave the city to strike at a later time, right? You understand how terrorists operate? You might have learned one thing or another in the last few decades?
Over a million people who can’t leave the city and will either get murdered by the Israeli military, murdered by Hamas or slaughtered in the crossfire. Israel can say „Told ya to leave the city“ and Hamas will get rock hard at the next generation of desperate people who will be easy to recruit.
But what do I know? You do you. Everyone else seems to know it better and shit just keeps getting worse. Every single decade, this shitfest escalates more and more. People die, politicians condemn, some really like the idea of Jew or Muslims dying. Everyone acts like they did a thing.
This is not the end. We will be here again in ten years. Same shit, only even worse than now.
The impossibility of evacuating all those people safely is the point, Israel wants the civilians to die.
This is the modern Trail of Tears, but since Israel has been predetermined to be the good guy it will be cheered and celebrated.Meanwhile Hamas is telling people to stay and is actively stopping people from leaving. source
With how messy a evacuation this large and sudden tends to be, stopping it may save lives.
It depends on what Israel does after the time is up though, so that isn’t for sure better or worse.
Fight against the Hamas on a fair battlefield?
They’re going to bomb it from a very safe distance. And, if the last week is anything to go by, may ‘accidentally’ bomb places they’ve herded everyone into.
I feel like we are watching an opening phase of Israel literally clearing the place out, forcing these people to the beach, then telling the international community too come pick them all up, or else.
They history doesn’t repeat itself. But sure enough, there is an awful lot of verses in the books that rhyme with the last week.
How the fuck do you evacuate more than 1 million people , where the majority are women and children??
You know, through the border crossings that are all closed. They’re just announcing this to claim that they gave people ample warning to leave when inevitably scores of Palestinians end up bombed.
Not just closed, ISREAL BOMBED THEM so they’d close
You can’t. Isreal knows this. But by saying “We told them to evacuate” they’ve now provided themselves sufficient cover for everything that happens after. When civilians get slaughtered on mass they’ll just keep repeating “They were told evacuate”.
Not to mention the old, the sick and the disabled. On top of that the numerous injured from the bombings.
Not to mention all the old, sick and disabled, or simply injured, are guaranteed shitload of suffering since the apartheid genocider state cut off electricity and water, so this includes to the hospitals.
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Wow, it’s so easy. Just tell the terrorist that control your land with weapons to not do that. They can’t legally say no.
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Answer me two questions:
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When was the last election in Gaza?
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How old is the average Palestinian?
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Answer: You don’t. Not in 24 hours and especially not when the people in charge don’t want the civilians to leave either. This will be used by Israel as a thin justification that whatever they do next did not hit civilians because they asked them to evacuate (the 24h hours part of this ultimatum will be dropped under the table, never to be mentioned again).
you dont
its a formality, theyre committing genocide
Israel’s wet dream, an excuse to displace half of all Palestinians from their land, bomb it all to the ground, if there are casualties; “Hey, you were warned.”
Don’t get me wrong. Fuck Hamas, but also fuck Israel, fuck neocolonialism, fuck propaganda/disinformation about baby beheadings and free Palestine!
Don’t forget fuck religion. Let’s not pretend like that’s not a core issue.
Fuck religion and self righteous religious zealots who’ve abandoned reason and humanity
This scene from a game has some resemblance of the situation. Plus, israel is using white phosporus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b7TaLjdXMc
“Why…?” “You brought this on yourself”
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This is barely even a “formality” before a massacre. Israel was looking for an excuse to go all out without any restraint and they got it. It’s fucking tragic that these bastards are playing with civilians lives. Fuck both authorities.
Israel is a terrorist state.
So considering the disproportionate actions against innocent civilians we’re seeing Israel do to annex some land, we’re surely will see sanctions and economic blocks against them soon right? RIGHT?
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Israel has been pretty consistent with not wanting to annex Gaza land; it isn’t like there is that much left. The focus has generally been to take over the West Bank.
Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if Israel moved Palestinians from the West Bank to Southern Gaza for “safety reasons” to clear out pockets of West Bank Palestinians.
No, they have blue eyes and our governments are subservient. And Israel cyber taskforce have backdoor everywhere or in most our infrastructure.
After all, this is how they sold the UA unanimous and unconditional support.
Get out of here with the “disproportionate actions” rhetoric. Watch any countey get shot at ONCE and take it like Israel has consistently for the past DECADES. Enough is enough. Hamas is ISIS and has been elected by the people of Gaza. Never again means never again
has been elected by the people of Gaza
Not really. The last election was 17 years ago and literally half the current population are aged 18 or younger.
Same tactic by israel before. They flat out a building office of AlJazeera & Associated Press back in 2021 with a 1 hour warning. They really dont care if all civilian manage to evacuate or not
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That would be near impossible even if organized.
It literally just feels like a guise so that when humans rights groups or the international community raise questions about it they can be like, “But we warned them!!”
Where are they supposed to go? Egypt closed their border too. Israel wants to kill them and then say “we warned you”. The israel government and Hamas need to pay for every citizen that is hurt
After 24 hours Israel will slaughter who is left and pretend like everyone who isn’t Hamas had time to leave. This smells like a thin concession so Israel can pretend like they follow international laws for whatever comes next.
And then many of those who managed to flee end up dying too, since they have nowhere to go.
Also, large crowds fleeing in panic are not exactly save in themselves. And don’t even start with people with disabilities.
so Israel can pretend like they follow international laws for whatever comes next.
They aren’t part of the Geneva Convention, so they’ll likely stick with the their own (US-backed) rules.
They’re just offering it as a fig leaf that pundits can use as a talking point, and basically every journalist that isn’t Medhi Hassan is just going to neglect to push back and mention the practical impossibility of evacuating Gaza City.
Israel is a terrorist state.
I see someone has an Endlösung in mind. It’s hard to escape the impression that maybe it wasn’t intelligence community incompetence that invited this “perl habor”. And the plans for this do feel like they’ve been in some drawer for a while.
Nothing justifies Hamas but likewise, nothing justifies doing this to the many innocent, the children, the babies, the people just happened to be born in the wrong spot. The average age in Gaza is, iirc, below 18
Damn, Isreal really saw what happened in fallujah and went “Ooh write that down write that down”
