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Wow I didn’t know they were going to recover it at all. Pretty cool. Can’t wait to read about how shitty the design was.
I mean, it’s well known by this point. But a “seconds from disaster” version of it would be interesting to watch as disaster porn.
This is haunting.
There’s no gore or anything, it’s just twisted metal and cables. Still, seeing it and thinking “humans were alive in there mere days ago” made my gut drop. It’s not like looking at wreckage of an old ship or plane or something, it’s different. Because it’s so small, it feels more intimate. Like looking at a coffin vs looking at a graveyard
Weren’t the occupants cremated instantly?
I would go with creamed.
Diluted
since they were in the water
Like corn in a can.
Superheated then liquidised and dispersed like chum
The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic
Wow so deep /s
Omg so tru. *Comits genocide
The death of a billionaire however, is hilarious 🤣
The death of 4 is aquatic praxis
How is the death of anyone hilarious? Does it matter how much you have in your pocket book which will determine the level of hilarity to you? That’s cold. I surely hope you have more empathy in person.
How is the death of anyone hilarious?
I truly hope you people are not being serious…
They are probably very young. People get less extreme in their views as they grow older (usually).
just more complacent to the poor state of humanity due to a lack of energy to change, or because the old benefit from the status quo.
So Holocaust is not a tragedy? That’s what you’re saying?
No, it’s just a common saying that shows how people react to this sort of news. It’s a bit cynical but not untrue.
Hoho!
u/seesaw is looking for a reason to fight.
It’s a common saying you buffoon.
“common saying”
How the fuck is that a common saying? That’s a quote attributed to genocidal Stalin and it’s a complete bullshit statement. Whoever repeats a moronic statement (and also very wrong) is also a moron. Death of millions is not just a statistics, it’s a much bigger tragedy.
Edgy idiots trying to be cool with statements of dictators
Well i don’t assign its meaning. I’m just informing of what that phrase is. If anything. You’re the one appearing to be edgy with your unchecked emotion and tone of replies.
Yeah sorry for my “unchecked emotion” for my ancestors getting slaughtered in concentration camps and you call it “just a statistics”
Quit trying to start a fight. It’s a common saying. Not every comment on the internet is a racist or Holocaust-denying statement, although those exist. This isn’t one of them.
I did not expect this thing to actually be hauled to shore. Kind of thought they were just going to leave it. How much did it cost to pull that thing up?
Hopefully, examination of the wreckage will yield valuable information about the cause of the failure and help future designs of deep-sea submersibles.
We already know how to build submersibles. Engineers told the CEO that this submersible was not built to spec and not safe. He fired them.
Sure we do but there’s always something to be learned from a failure. This sub was unique in it’s design and while that design ultimately failed, the knowledge gained from the failure could potentially lead to an improved design that maintains some of the benefits such as low cost and high occupancy.
Also when carbon fibre is used on other applications such as in planes and such. There is always something to be learned about failure modes which can be used to make future applications safer.
For instance, in this case where exactly did the failure point happen? Was it at at the bonding area, one of the end caps, or in the middle of the tube, etc.
Normally I’d agree with you, but we already know that carbon fiber is weaker in compression than in tension and that you really shouldn’t attach it to titanium either, due to their differences in malleability.
Not-even-that Future deep-sea submersibles: “yo do not compare us to this garbage”
I mean we have money for that. Not just for social services, cause that will set the wrong incentive /s
Both titanium support rings were recovered intact. These are what bonded the carbon fiber hull to the titanium ends. There isn’t any evidence of carbon fiber still attached in the photos/ videos of the debris.
Edit: more photos
So the front AND the back fell off? Is that normal?
Doesn’t matter, it happened outside of the environment.
Well it must be somewhere?
Does it have a wheel on it?
I don’t think there’s a reference for normal, since people usually build them in a way and from materials that make them not implode.
From your link it seems that even the front titanium hemisphere is still relatively intact.
Looks like the acrylic window is missing on the front dome. I wonder if it gave out first or got popped out by the implosion.
These are the non-pressurised systems that would have gotten the least damage most likely.
Ya the only damage would be from the implosion and shrapnel. Everything else was sitting at the same pressure, so there’s nothing really going on to cause damage.
It’s weird seeing huge pieces that look relatively undamaged. Looks like you can just throw that frame with all the electronics in the spare parts bin and call it a day lol
Whats the source?
Interesting - I had imagined it being imploded into bits like the simulations on the news show.
I believe this is the outer portion. The carbon fiber shell imploded and is probably not recoverable.
I’m certainly no expert but I understand submarines have an inner and outer hull. The inner hull has to withstand the pressure of the deep but the outer hull does not. The inner hull would be crushed into bits but the outer hull and any equipment in-between would likely be ripped into large chunks as such a violent event occurs inside of it.
Subs have dual hulls so they can fill the void between them with water to sink, or air to float, but they don’t dive anywhere near as deep. Most regular naval subs operate above 800 meters. They only have to be below the surface of the water for stealth, not at the bottom of the ocean.
This craft was a single hull design as far as I’m aware, designed with a rigid hull to try and counteract the pressure at the bottom.
Yeah, double hull might not be correct for what I’m trying to describe, as I know the Titan used ballast weights to sink rather than flooding void spaces. But in every picture I’ve seen of the thing so far, the outer layer looks like it was a sort of shroud to protect against more conventional sources of damage (read: bumping into shit). I could be entirely wrong about that, and should probably have refrained from commenting.
Yes, from what I’ve seen, I think that is a correct assessment. They had the carbon fibre “pressure hull” with titanium end caps, and a shroud around the outside, probably to help pretty it up, and hide wiring and protect from minor damage and such. Please don’t refrain from commenting, it’s how we learn more. I’ve always had an interest in submersibles even as a young one, so while I wished the Titan had survived, I think there were too many cowboy-style design decisions made, probably for economics rather than safety (obviously not the way to go at 4KM down).
like the simulations on the news show
Why would you put any faith in a simulation by an organization that has no knowledge of the domain?
The outer shell didn’t hold pressure and was there to cover wires/ equipment exposed outside the pressure vessel.
If the whole thing managed to not rupture, then sure, it could have imploded like it was thrown in a crusher. However, once there is a rupture, the water has a new avenue for entry. So depending how fast it all went and how exactly it first broke, water could have rushed in before completely crumpling, equalizing the pressure. Kinda looks pancaked to me rather than becoming a singularity
I wonder if they recovered the Xbox controller?
It was a Logitech controller. I guess he couldn’t spring for the pricier Xbox controller.
Have you priced one of those Pro Controllers?
Is it ironic when the billionaires who live by cutting costs get stung by cost cutting?
Controllers like that are used on nuclear attack submarines aswell so that is not the issue even though it might seem funny to someone not familiar with this stuff.
Those companies have made billions of them over several decades. It’s much more reliable to go with a one like that than to develop a new one from scratch. Submarines don’t implode because it was steered by a logitech controller
In a video I heard the CEO say they have spare ones on hand, just in case. But still, having my life depend on a Bluetooth device seems just wrong. Why not go with a direct cable? Much less to go wrong!
I don’t disagree. I almost refuse to use even wireless headphones myself.
However all the fail-safes on the sub were quite decent in my opinion so the controller isn’t really life-critical. The issue was that none of the safety features protects you from far exceeding the rated maximum dive depth. They probably didn’t know what hit them.
Nuclear subs do not however use them for propulsion. Something like a very basic input delay or other Bluetooth issue could be catastrophic.
TIL 10 millisecond delay will cause a submarine to explode.
It wouldn’t be that dramatic but things like loosing connection briefly to propulsion could be incredibly dangerous when diving near a shipwreck.
Can we share Bezos in the next batch of billionaires?
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